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Thanks for the insights. Not to play devil's advocate but I notice everyone listed was in office before any of us were born. I wonder if there is some kind of sanitization effect where reading about someone gives a better impression of that person than being bombarded 24/7 with media spins about that person.

I also agree that political parties have been a problem. It seems that we should have either a higher number of viable parties, or none at all.

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I wonder if there is some kind of sanitization effect where reading about someone gives a better impression of that person than being bombarded 24/7 with media spins about that person.

We have the benefit of modern history where all of their activities, news article, etc. were captured during their terms.

That includes Jefferson's fails with the Napoleonic War but successes with the Federalists and the Louisiana Purchase.

Just like modern times, none of us directly interact with these politicians and rely on news articles that chronicle the events.

What's great about all this is we have evidence that political slant was in news papers in the Adams vs. Jefferson events. We know the press was doing their bullshit even all the way back then, too.

So, no, there's no modern bias or days-past bias - it's all detached for almost every single one of us.

What I can enjoy is the writings of each of them. In the case of Jefferson, he didn't have a speech writer for his political opinions. He was THE writer. Many politicians copy him, now. For good reason. Today, almost all presidents have speech writers.

Abraham Lincoln also wrote one of the most famous presidential speeches: Gettysburg Address.

HOWEVER, I think your point is valid. Some people, it likely my bias included, idolize days past and put older politicians on pedestals. Similar to the Roman Emperors: folks like to parade the "good ones" about as paragons of truth and righteousness (Augustus/Julius).

I also agree that political parties have been a problem. It seems that we should have either a higher number of viable parties, or none at all.

That is likely the political understatement of the century. Even on voat/poal, we "fight" here amongst ourselves because of the stupid tribal politics. I remember pissing off dozens of folks on voat because I criticized Trump for being deep in the swamp he said he'd drain. When in reality, almost all of us agree on almost all policies including the problems that need to be addressed. So why are we fighting? Tribal politics.

Anyway, this is a great conversation.

> I wonder if there is some kind of sanitization effect where reading about someone gives a better impression of that person than being bombarded 24/7 with media spins about that person. We have the benefit of modern history where all of their activities, news article, etc. were captured during their terms. That includes Jefferson's fails with the Napoleonic War but successes with the Federalists and the Louisiana Purchase. Just like modern times, none of us directly interact with these politicians and rely on news articles that chronicle the events. What's great about all this is we have evidence that political slant was in news papers in the Adams vs. Jefferson events. We know the press was doing their bullshit even all the way back then, too. So, no, there's no modern bias or days-past bias - it's all detached for almost every single one of us. What I can enjoy is the writings of each of them. In the case of Jefferson, he didn't have a speech writer for his political opinions. He was THE writer. Many politicians copy him, now. For good reason. Today, almost all presidents have speech writers. Abraham Lincoln also wrote one of the most famous presidential speeches: Gettysburg Address. HOWEVER, I think your point is valid. Some people, it likely my bias included, idolize days past and put older politicians on pedestals. Similar to the Roman Emperors: folks like to parade the "good ones" about as paragons of truth and righteousness (Augustus/Julius). >I also agree that political parties have been a problem. It seems that we should have either a higher number of viable parties, or none at all. That is likely the political understatement of the century. Even on voat/poal, we "fight" here amongst ourselves because of the stupid tribal politics. I remember pissing off dozens of folks on voat because I criticized Trump for being deep in the swamp he said he'd drain. When in reality, almost all of us agree on almost all policies including the problems that need to be addressed. So why are we fighting? Tribal politics. Anyway, this is a great conversation.

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