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It's way past time! No unions in public service. Hard to believe its even legal. Who are they negotiating with? Politicians! No chance of quid pro Quo there.sarcasm.

"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management.”

The above caveat about government unions – usually known by the kinder and gentler “public employee unions” – was not issued by the Koch Brothers or Donald Trump. The statement was made by none other than progressive icon Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Additionally, George Meany, president of the AFL-CIO for 24 years, once stated, “It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.” Both men understood that the very nature of government makes it wrong for its leaders to enter into negotiations with any union. When government unions negotiate, they often sit across the table from people they helped put in office with generous campaign contributions. And when these unions go on strike, they walk out on the taxpayer.

In the private sector, if a business is forced to pay its workers more money, those costs are passed on to the consumer. If the cost of a product is raised too high, the purchaser can choose to go elsewhere. Most unions get this and realize they can’t bargain for excessive salaries and perks. But some unions push things too far and ultimately price their members out of a job. An example of the latter is the United Auto Workers, whose exorbitant demands drove car buyers to Japanese models and automakers to produce cars elsewhere, thus sending Detroit down the road to ruin.

But the government unions are always a nightmare for consumers, as they can’t shop elsewhere for services provided by the state, because the government has a monopoly on them. When union negotiators and elected officials agree on exorbitant pay packages and protections for cops, prison guards, firemen and teachers, what can the public do? Call a different fire department if their house is burning down?

There is an exception here with schools, but unless there is a parental choice system in place, where public tax money follows the child, only the well-to-do really have a choice. In exercising that option, they must pay twice, however – in state and local taxes which go to their local public school and tuition payments for the private one.

It's worth noting that many government union leaders fully understand the conflict of interest. In 1975, Victor Gotbaum, leader of District Council 37 of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) in New York City, bragged, "We have the ability, in a sense, to elect our own boss." Forty-five years later, in 2020, Los Angeles teacher union boss Alex Caputo-Pearl admitted, “We have a unique power – we elect our bosses. It would be difficult to think of workers anywhere else who elect their bosses. We do. We must take advantage of it.”

While all government unions do damage, none is more noxious than the teachers unions because their collective bargaining agreements (CBAs) have been a disaster for students and good teachers alike.

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>It's way past time! No unions in public service. Hard to believe its even legal. Who are they negotiating with? Politicians! No chance of quid pro Quo there.sarcasm. "All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management.” The above caveat about government unions – usually known by the kinder and gentler “public employee unions” – was not issued by the Koch Brothers or Donald Trump. The statement was made by none other than progressive icon Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Additionally, George Meany, president of the AFL-CIO for 24 years, once stated, “It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.” Both men understood that the very nature of government makes it wrong for its leaders to enter into negotiations with any union. When government unions negotiate, they often sit across the table from people they helped put in office with generous campaign contributions. And when these unions go on strike, they walk out on the taxpayer. In the private sector, if a business is forced to pay its workers more money, those costs are passed on to the consumer. If the cost of a product is raised too high, the purchaser can choose to go elsewhere. Most unions get this and realize they can’t bargain for excessive salaries and perks. But some unions push things too far and ultimately price their members out of a job. An example of the latter is the United Auto Workers, whose exorbitant demands drove car buyers to Japanese models and automakers to produce cars elsewhere, thus sending Detroit down the road to ruin. But the government unions are always a nightmare for consumers, as they can’t shop elsewhere for services provided by the state, because the government has a monopoly on them. When union negotiators and elected officials agree on exorbitant pay packages and protections for cops, prison guards, firemen and teachers, what can the public do? Call a different fire department if their house is burning down? There is an exception here with schools, but unless there is a parental choice system in place, where public tax money follows the child, only the well-to-do really have a choice. In exercising that option, they must pay twice, however – in state and local taxes which go to their local public school and tuition payments for the private one. It's worth noting that many government union leaders fully understand the conflict of interest. In 1975, Victor Gotbaum, leader of District Council 37 of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) in New York City, bragged, "We have the ability, in a sense, to elect our own boss." Forty-five years later, in 2020, Los Angeles teacher union boss Alex Caputo-Pearl admitted, “We have a unique power – we elect our bosses. It would be difficult to think of workers anywhere else who elect their bosses. We do. We must take advantage of it.” While all government unions do damage, none is more noxious than the teachers unions because their collective bargaining agreements (CBAs) have been a disaster for students and good teachers alike. More at link.

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I'll go further and suggest getting rid of the NEA. Schools should all be private or city run with no federal funding.

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I couldn't agree more. All schools should be locally run and locally taxed.

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100% - Acrtually it's time to abolish the teachers, as most aren't fit to teach a rock.

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I agree 100%. How many of those are products of their environment? I think a lot. If you can fire teachers that aren't performing to the liking of the community you can change the whole quality of education. One of the best teachers I had in HS was ridiculed and lambasted by the other teachers.

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Yes - and someone posted an article here recently about (I think it was in Canada) that teachers will no longer be required to be proficient in math. WTH?

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They want a dumbed down people. Dumb people are easier to control than educated ones.

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I'm in a union and I fully agree with this.

You can't have unions for government jobs. Collective bargaining is to pressure employers to provide fair wages and benefits for employees that make the profits for the employers. The company pays the increases in pay/benefits and those who decide the pay/benefits are part of the company and beholden to the company.

When the employer is the government, the pressure mechanisms are not at all similar. Government doesn't make a profit. The tax payer foots the bill for pay/benefit increases and those who decide the pay/benefits are elected so they can be pressure externally.

Government unions and closed shop states are directly responsible for the shit opinions of unions. Where an open shop company has to compete in a free market with other non-union companies to provide a superior product or service, unions are good. But when there is no competition allowed, union workers become overpaid and lazy.

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closed shop states are directly responsible for the shit opinions of unions

What is a closed shop state?

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It's a state that requires you to be in a union to work in certain fields. Like MI and auto workers.

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I see, thanks. I knew that was a thing but didn't know the term. Yeah, the exclusion of competition is why I've always had a huge distaste for unions. And the trope of union workers being as unfireable as government workers doesn't help either.

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Unions are gay. Crybabies and such.

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They are inherently corrupt. This is no longer the 1920's where you have to advocate for working conditions.

This is no longer the 1920's where you have to advocate for working conditions.

Laughs in job that is at will that has no obligation to provide reference or severance.

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Defund public schools. Problem solved.