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According to the rules here,

Free debate is allowed and encouraged as long as it is civil.

So I hope this post will remain up, as I intend to be civil.

We all know that there is tension between Q followers and those who don’t believe in Q. The followers will usually call the disbelievers “shills” or something similar, completely disregarding the fact that people have legitimate reasons to have doubts.

The most common debate I’ve seen on any Q sub generally revolves around a disbeliever saying something along the lines of “nothing has happened,” and followers tend to respond with something along the lines of “plenty has happened, you’re just not paying attention/unaware.”

I’ve asked this question today to two pretty hardcore Qers, and neither has responded to me, so I’m copy/pasting it here. I’m genuinely open-minded and willing to be convinced, but I just haven’t seen anything that supports this.

The question is [edited to be a bit more respectful, honest apologies for the original being a bit rude]:

What Q prediction has come true that makes it obvious that the swamp is being drained? That the cabal is losing its grip on power? [I won’t be convinced with] “someone said this is going to happen,” or, “this is going on behind the scenes.” [Can you tell me anything] specific that has actually already verifiably happened that makes it obvious that Q is doing anything other than [being a distraction?]

I haven’t seen it. A lot of the rest of us haven’t seen it. But Qers always seem to claim that it’s happening. So can anyone actually provide a specific example?

According to the rules here, > Free debate is allowed and encouraged as long as it is civil. So I hope this post will remain up, as I intend to be civil. We all know that there is tension between Q followers and those who don’t believe in Q. The followers will usually call the disbelievers “shills” or something similar, completely disregarding the fact that people have legitimate reasons to have doubts. The most common debate I’ve seen on any Q sub generally revolves around a disbeliever saying something along the lines of “nothing has happened,” and followers tend to respond with something along the lines of “plenty has happened, you’re just not paying attention/unaware.” I’ve asked this question today to two pretty hardcore Qers, and neither has responded to me, so I’m copy/pasting it here. I’m genuinely open-minded and willing to be convinced, but I just haven’t seen anything that supports this. The question is [edited to be a bit more respectful, honest apologies for the original being a bit rude]: >What Q prediction has come true that makes it obvious that the swamp is being drained? That the cabal is losing its grip on power? [I won’t be convinced with] “someone said this is going to happen,” or, “this is going on behind the scenes.” [Can you tell me anything] specific that has actually already verifiably happened that makes it obvious that Q is doing anything other than [being a distraction?] I haven’t seen it. A lot of the rest of us haven’t seen it. But Qers always seem to claim that it’s happening. So can anyone actually provide a specific example?

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What are you measuring? What are you measuring against? What's your yardstick?

Lots of things have happened. Lots of things would have happened if certain things didn't happen (and thank Trump for that). Where we were in 2016, where we are now, and where we will be in the future is a progression of events. If certain particular events hadn't happened early on, it would be a totally different chain of events. Are you following the chain of events that did happen and not ignoring anything, or are you simplifying it all down to what you perceive to be "true"?

Simplified for your IQ level: If Trump (and Q) hadn't come along, most of us would be dead or dying in concentration camps.

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Simplified for your IQ level: If Trump (and Q) hadn't come along, most of us would be dead or dying in concentration camps.

Again, you’re saying that something that DIDN’T happen is proof that something did happen.

What are you measuring? What are you measuring against? What's your yardstick?

Something observable and not hypothetical. Literally the most basic tenet of reality. Someone important being put in prison or removed from power. An election being overturned. Tyrants or treasonists being ousted, killed, or otherwise.

All of the measurable events in this fashion have happened to people on OUR side of the fight.

When have I done that?

When you said that there is no single event that will prove the existence of this person that you claim exists

Do you understand physics by observing one aspect of it? Do you understand how a computer works by running a piece of software? Do you understand anything of any complexity at all by knowing just one or two pieces of information?

Whether or not a person exists and is doing anything to help you should be a simple thing to prove. I can literally prove to you that any actual person that exists does in fact exist, very simply. And if they are an activist for some cause, I can very easily show you specific examples of the work they have done for the furtherance of that cause. You have convinced yourself that this one person on the planet deserves to be supported only by a complex web of things that, in any other circumstance, would be obvious to you are completely unrelated.