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According to the rules here,

Free debate is allowed and encouraged as long as it is civil.

So I hope this post will remain up, as I intend to be civil.

We all know that there is tension between Q followers and those who don’t believe in Q. The followers will usually call the disbelievers “shills” or something similar, completely disregarding the fact that people have legitimate reasons to have doubts.

The most common debate I’ve seen on any Q sub generally revolves around a disbeliever saying something along the lines of “nothing has happened,” and followers tend to respond with something along the lines of “plenty has happened, you’re just not paying attention/unaware.”

I’ve asked this question today to two pretty hardcore Qers, and neither has responded to me, so I’m copy/pasting it here. I’m genuinely open-minded and willing to be convinced, but I just haven’t seen anything that supports this.

The question is [edited to be a bit more respectful, honest apologies for the original being a bit rude]:

What Q prediction has come true that makes it obvious that the swamp is being drained? That the cabal is losing its grip on power? [I won’t be convinced with] “someone said this is going to happen,” or, “this is going on behind the scenes.” [Can you tell me anything] specific that has actually already verifiably happened that makes it obvious that Q is doing anything other than [being a distraction?]

I haven’t seen it. A lot of the rest of us haven’t seen it. But Qers always seem to claim that it’s happening. So can anyone actually provide a specific example?

According to the rules here, > Free debate is allowed and encouraged as long as it is civil. So I hope this post will remain up, as I intend to be civil. We all know that there is tension between Q followers and those who don’t believe in Q. The followers will usually call the disbelievers “shills” or something similar, completely disregarding the fact that people have legitimate reasons to have doubts. The most common debate I’ve seen on any Q sub generally revolves around a disbeliever saying something along the lines of “nothing has happened,” and followers tend to respond with something along the lines of “plenty has happened, you’re just not paying attention/unaware.” I’ve asked this question today to two pretty hardcore Qers, and neither has responded to me, so I’m copy/pasting it here. I’m genuinely open-minded and willing to be convinced, but I just haven’t seen anything that supports this. The question is [edited to be a bit more respectful, honest apologies for the original being a bit rude]: >What Q prediction has come true that makes it obvious that the swamp is being drained? That the cabal is losing its grip on power? [I won’t be convinced with] “someone said this is going to happen,” or, “this is going on behind the scenes.” [Can you tell me anything] specific that has actually already verifiably happened that makes it obvious that Q is doing anything other than [being a distraction?] I haven’t seen it. A lot of the rest of us haven’t seen it. But Qers always seem to claim that it’s happening. So can anyone actually provide a specific example?

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Sorry, but this is an impossible answer to accept. There isn’t any perceivable difference between “Q dealt a blow to the cabal by bringing us together” and “Q helped the cabal by deceiving us all simultaneously.”

From Epstein and Maxwell, to child trafficking, to election theft. Etc.

What was the benefit of any of this? Epstein is “dead.” No prominent figures on his list or in the Maxwell trial have been imprisoned. Child trafficking has always been around and always been fought, Q bringing it to your attention hasn’t changed anything on that front. And election theft may have been brought to your attention, but nothing was done to stop it.

I appreciate your response, but your answer only tells me that you agree that nothing quantifiable has happened, but you’d like for unquantifiable happenstance to suffice

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Where you losers are fucking up is that you are still stuck on debunking Q. It diesn't matter. I knew about Jones from his Bohemian Grove expose, but I find him a bloviating egomaniac and cannot bear listening to him. If it were not for Q drops I would not have known about much of this stuff. Forget Q. That mission is accomplished. Now get out there and run for Precinct Captain. Find out if your county GOP chair is pro audit. If not, why not? Sway them or replace them. Serve as an election worker/observer. Write/call your reps about election integrity. MAKE SURE THEY KNOW WE ARE WATCHING. I see nothing gained by arguing with each other about Q. I've always felt that if Q wasn't real and was a threat to the MAGA movement, Trump would have told us in no uncertain terms and warned his loyal supporters away. But he didn't, and now we will probably never know. Maybe that's how it's supposed to be. Devin Nunez on deck.

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I've always felt that if Q wasn't real and was a threat to the MAGA movement, Trump would have told us in no uncertain terms and warned his loyal supporters away.

The point is that Trump and Q were both diversions. Trump is not loyal to his base. Q is a distraction giving people hope that something is going to happen so that they don’t stand up and defend themselves. Disproving Q is absolutely necessary if the masses are to wake up from this nonsense

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There isn’t any perceivable difference between “Q dealt a blow to the cabal by bringing us together” and “Q helped the cabal by deceiving us all simultaneously.”

There may be no difference, but if you're going to be the one to bring the matter up at all, you should be armed with something to back your view instead of just looking for someone to have inane arguments with.

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I back up my position with the fact that nothing measurable has happened

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What are you measuring? What are you measuring against? What's your yardstick?

Lots of things have happened. Lots of things would have happened if certain things didn't happen (and thank Trump for that). Where we were in 2016, where we are now, and where we will be in the future is a progression of events. If certain particular events hadn't happened early on, it would be a totally different chain of events. Are you following the chain of events that did happen and not ignoring anything, or are you simplifying it all down to what you perceive to be "true"?

Simplified for your IQ level: If Trump (and Q) hadn't come along, most of us would be dead or dying in concentration camps.