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According to the rules here,

Free debate is allowed and encouraged as long as it is civil.

So I hope this post will remain up, as I intend to be civil.

We all know that there is tension between Q followers and those who don’t believe in Q. The followers will usually call the disbelievers “shills” or something similar, completely disregarding the fact that people have legitimate reasons to have doubts.

The most common debate I’ve seen on any Q sub generally revolves around a disbeliever saying something along the lines of “nothing has happened,” and followers tend to respond with something along the lines of “plenty has happened, you’re just not paying attention/unaware.”

I’ve asked this question today to two pretty hardcore Qers, and neither has responded to me, so I’m copy/pasting it here. I’m genuinely open-minded and willing to be convinced, but I just haven’t seen anything that supports this.

The question is [edited to be a bit more respectful, honest apologies for the original being a bit rude]:

What Q prediction has come true that makes it obvious that the swamp is being drained? That the cabal is losing its grip on power? [I won’t be convinced with] “someone said this is going to happen,” or, “this is going on behind the scenes.” [Can you tell me anything] specific that has actually already verifiably happened that makes it obvious that Q is doing anything other than [being a distraction?]

I haven’t seen it. A lot of the rest of us haven’t seen it. But Qers always seem to claim that it’s happening. So can anyone actually provide a specific example?

According to the rules here, > Free debate is allowed and encouraged as long as it is civil. So I hope this post will remain up, as I intend to be civil. We all know that there is tension between Q followers and those who don’t believe in Q. The followers will usually call the disbelievers “shills” or something similar, completely disregarding the fact that people have legitimate reasons to have doubts. The most common debate I’ve seen on any Q sub generally revolves around a disbeliever saying something along the lines of “nothing has happened,” and followers tend to respond with something along the lines of “plenty has happened, you’re just not paying attention/unaware.” I’ve asked this question today to two pretty hardcore Qers, and neither has responded to me, so I’m copy/pasting it here. I’m genuinely open-minded and willing to be convinced, but I just haven’t seen anything that supports this. The question is [edited to be a bit more respectful, honest apologies for the original being a bit rude]: >What Q prediction has come true that makes it obvious that the swamp is being drained? That the cabal is losing its grip on power? [I won’t be convinced with] “someone said this is going to happen,” or, “this is going on behind the scenes.” [Can you tell me anything] specific that has actually already verifiably happened that makes it obvious that Q is doing anything other than [being a distraction?] I haven’t seen it. A lot of the rest of us haven’t seen it. But Qers always seem to claim that it’s happening. So can anyone actually provide a specific example?

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In the spirit of being civil I will point out to you that Q drops pointed out a lot of what was later to become public. From Epstein and Maxwell, to child trafficking, to election theft. Etc. Q served to shine a light, unite the faithful and ignite a populist movement under Trump that would supplant the power of the fake news and the deep state. Q struck a mighty blow to the cabal just by making us, by the millions, aware of them. Don't waste your time looking for fulfilled predictions. The battlefield is fluid. Truth Social on deck.

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NONE of the Epstein or Maxwell shit was new information. Q did fuck all to shine a light on Epstein Island compared to Alex Jones who’s been talking about this for DECADES. Alex Jones has a much larger following than Q ever had yet that is Q’s crowning achievement?

I guess aj is great if you want your information straight from the CIA.

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I dont know that and nor do you. What I do know is he was talking about Epstein island and the pedo elites way the fuck befor Q came and disappeared!

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Sorry, but this is an impossible answer to accept. There isn’t any perceivable difference between “Q dealt a blow to the cabal by bringing us together” and “Q helped the cabal by deceiving us all simultaneously.”

From Epstein and Maxwell, to child trafficking, to election theft. Etc.

What was the benefit of any of this? Epstein is “dead.” No prominent figures on his list or in the Maxwell trial have been imprisoned. Child trafficking has always been around and always been fought, Q bringing it to your attention hasn’t changed anything on that front. And election theft may have been brought to your attention, but nothing was done to stop it.

I appreciate your response, but your answer only tells me that you agree that nothing quantifiable has happened, but you’d like for unquantifiable happenstance to suffice

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Where you losers are fucking up is that you are still stuck on debunking Q. It diesn't matter. I knew about Jones from his Bohemian Grove expose, but I find him a bloviating egomaniac and cannot bear listening to him. If it were not for Q drops I would not have known about much of this stuff. Forget Q. That mission is accomplished. Now get out there and run for Precinct Captain. Find out if your county GOP chair is pro audit. If not, why not? Sway them or replace them. Serve as an election worker/observer. Write/call your reps about election integrity. MAKE SURE THEY KNOW WE ARE WATCHING. I see nothing gained by arguing with each other about Q. I've always felt that if Q wasn't real and was a threat to the MAGA movement, Trump would have told us in no uncertain terms and warned his loyal supporters away. But he didn't, and now we will probably never know. Maybe that's how it's supposed to be. Devin Nunez on deck.

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I've always felt that if Q wasn't real and was a threat to the MAGA movement, Trump would have told us in no uncertain terms and warned his loyal supporters away.

The point is that Trump and Q were both diversions. Trump is not loyal to his base. Q is a distraction giving people hope that something is going to happen so that they don’t stand up and defend themselves. Disproving Q is absolutely necessary if the masses are to wake up from this nonsense

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There isn’t any perceivable difference between “Q dealt a blow to the cabal by bringing us together” and “Q helped the cabal by deceiving us all simultaneously.”

There may be no difference, but if you're going to be the one to bring the matter up at all, you should be armed with something to back your view instead of just looking for someone to have inane arguments with.

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I back up my position with the fact that nothing measurable has happened

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If you don't have eyes on or sources with eyes on, it becomes a challenge to keep your hopes up with what is bombarding you in the media. Let me help a little with eyes on info: The government portion of DC is a ghost town. All of the bureaucrat office buildings are essentially empty except for the guards. The democrats don't show up in Congress. All zoom and proxy vote. Bidan has not been in the White House since Jan 20. The White House is mostly dark all the time except for security, maintenance and cleaning crews. At night, children were brought out, a casket was brought out and even a horse was brought out of the WH. Recently, even the "porch light" was turned out so the entrance was totally blacked out. I have seen 4 nights of that and I don't watch every night. The WH was red on Oct 1st and since then it has been gold. The Pentagon is mostly staffed judging by the parking lot. But the Metro runs mostly empty. The DC buses are mostly empty. The CIA only has contractors working there. Pittsburgh FBI office essentially sealed off. They didn't even answer the phone for other FBI. A complaint was finally taken in a trailer. No laws have been passed with Bidan supposedly in charge. No budget has been passed. Infrastructure (partial) and a short continuing resolution supposedly have been passed and signed. I don't think so.

There are at least two Bidans; an East coast Bidan and a West Coast Bidan. The East Coast Bidan has brown eyes. The West Coast Bidan has blue eyes. Everything that has been shown in the Oval office has actually been on the West coast in Culver studios. Replica of Clinton's Oval office with the couches changed. Very obvious if you know what you are looking for. Some of the outside shots were taken there early on as well. Key differences. WH press briefings were held in the State Dept. early on. Not sure if they still are. So many things the press would jump on to attack Trump, but they don't and endless churning of the same news makes me believe that the press are under control. To what extent is hard to say. The US has half of the carrier fleet and support ships of the coast of China. The British, French and Japanese all have carriers there too. The Japanese don't call them carriers. The Aussies have ships there as well. But you don't hear a peep about it. Several of the swamp creatures have been replaced. The funniest one is Maxine Waters. She was played by a white woman. Twice, three Blackhawk helicopters were landed right next to the South side of the Capital and had their engines running for an extended period. No one on or off. Designed to cover up the noise of the underground booms. The booms were noticeable the day before they showed up. None of the people near by seemed to pay attention to the helos. Likely plain cloths security.

Just the stuff off the top of my head. Remember, that a key portion of the process to wake people up is to get them pissed off. 80% threatened and 20% real. The real does suck. The vast majority of problems can be snapped back; "a V-shaped recovery". President Trump drops hints and foreshadows a lot. Expect the level of absurdity to ramp up. Everyone wants to know the when. Too many possible scenarios yet. But we don't have to wait till 2025. The latest scenario is Jan 21, 2023. Based on the following:

"However, if an individual becomes president through the order of succession, that is by taking office after the death, resignation, or ousting of the previous president, they are allowed to serve an additional two years." Ousting being the operative word. That would allow Trump to be in office until Jan 20, 2029.

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This is all Bitchute Gene Decode retard level shit. I saw the supposed video and photos of “children” coming out of the White House, reminds me of the blurry bigfoot photo. Funny how in a world where everyone has access to amazing photographic equipment that blurry shit still counts as proof. My conclusion is… 1. You are either Gene Deconde and completely batshit crazy 2. You get the bulk of your “intel” from Gene Decode and are batshit crazy.

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This is literally just a bunch of hypothesis that means nothing, though.

“The lights turned out one night”

“Helicopters ran one night but nobody saw or heard anything”

“They carried children out of the whitehouse but no one has claimed their children are missing”

“People in DC are using zoom to communicate during a time when 60% of the country is using zoom to communicate.”

“Some ships may or may not be posted up off the coast of China, but either way none of them are doing anything.”

“No laws or budgets have passed since biden took office, but don’t pay attention to the fact that that has never happened during a president’s first year in office with a split/mostly even congress”

Too many possible scenarios yet. But we don't have to wait till 2025. The latest scenario is Jan 21, 2023. Based on the following:

Oof, that sounds depressingly familiar.

None of this means anything, and certainly none of it qualifies to answer my question, which was:

What is one specific thing that has already verifiably happened that proves obviously that Q and/or Trump are draining the swamp? That the cabal is losing power? What members of the cabal have been killed or imprisoned or even removed from office without being replaced by an equally swampy cabal member?

Also, the metro isn’t empty. I visited family in Maryland recently and we spent a day in DC. Lots of people on the metro.

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The hopium is strong with this Qtard.

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I’m genuinely open-minded and willing to be convinced

and THERE is the difference between the two. YOU are willing to listen THEY are not. I'M perfectly willing to admit I got snookered by Trump and his bullshit as well as Q because I wanted to believe that something good could actually happen in this Punch bowl full of turds. But once I saw the duplicitousness of Both Trump and Q and the constant goalpost moving claiming losses as wins I gave up on that "justice" fantasy. Like any cult, there are always members who will stay till the altar is on fire doing their best Kevin Bacon shouting all is well. Dont waste your time on them. they will NEVER learn.

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@NoisySilence, this isn't spam or off-topic. If you won't articulate your disagreement, simply ignore the post.

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@NoisySilence You disliked my post enough to downvote it but didn’t think I’m wrong enough to answer the question?

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Already participated in lengthy exchange. Down voted because these types of posts always follow to provide a platform (accidentally or purposefully) for shills.

Removed dv

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I think when people ask to prove all of this it is the wrong place to start. What you need to start asking is why all of us were on the chans to begin with. Let's be honest, the chans are a dumpster fire so why were people who had two brain cells to rub together even scrolling through pages and pages of big titty girls and zebras fucking?

Because we were all reading FBI anon. And had been for months. Five months to be exact.

And all of the shit talking hit jobs on Q anon written by the sleaze media NEVER bring up FBI anon. Why? Because everything FBI anon said came true. Very, very inconvenient to mention.

One of the original Q posts was the House of Cards post. This was after Saudi family changes (all of which Q outlined) and the media ignored, including the Saudi brother who jumped to his death in a shopping mall of all places. The House of Cards post was blown way out of proportion. Everyone was like, "OMG politics is a house of cards and the whole thing is coming DOWN." Well, that was bullshit. Q was literally referencing the netflix show House of Cards. What came next? Kevin Spacey was outed. And it ruined his career. If you don't think it ruined his career, ask someone in Hollywood. They will tell you it was a hit job and it worked.

Q also outed Snowden who I long suspected. He also outed Eric Schmidt who I knew was evil evil evil.

A photo of Feinstein's car in a parking lot in China was posted outing her. Though we all suspected. Chandler. Page. Sleazy Harvey.

A lot of what was outed was being backed up by Crazy Days and Nights. People can shit talk Q all they want but CDAN has been around since about 2006 and if you go back and start at the beginning it is jaw dropping at how accurate she is. So she was doing blind items and Q was dropping hints and as things progressed they lined up perfectly. It is impossible to explain to someone now how incredible it was to watch all of these different people outing others at the same time on different platforms and turn out to be right.

I linked the "Drug Cartel Hit" https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10289484/mexico-massacre-family-dark-history-links-nxivm-sex-cult-polygamous-manson/ to Romney before anyone wrote about it online because after reading CDAN and knowing how cartels hit and watching Q out Romney I knew he was involved and so did a lot of other people following CDAN. It was eventually linked in the media as well. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/nation-world/story/2019-11-06/mormons-mexico-lebaron-fundamentalist-history

There was a guy on twitter named TAM who got shut down three times. He claimed to have worked for Perkins Coie and had quit because he knew they tried to steal the election and were basically a bastion of thieves. He outed EVERY THING about Perkins Coie in late 2016 and right up to about the end of 2017. He was saying a lot of the same things Q said but he called it 100 % and Sussman is a way bigger deal than the media will ever let on. Now that time has passed I see he was right about everything.

Q outed Elon Musk but that was way AFTER CDAN outed him. Musk is linked to all kinds of dirty things so it's no surprise but it made me follow him more closely. For instance why is he making campaign contributions and listing his job as USSS. https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?contributor_name=Elon+Musk It's odd and if false, illegal. Someone can say that anyone can make these contributions UNDER his name. True but since these have to be reported and are a part of your tax claims they would have your name removed if proven false. He's been doing this for a year.

Rosenstein. Brennen The Chandler family. All outed. People repeatedly focus on what Q said that never came to pass but they NEVER take on the truths. Brennen. Outed. Then his clearance was yanked. Then he went on CNN and shit talked Trump and now where is he? I personally would love to know because that hateful fuck disappeared. Like off the map disappeared. But here is what I know about that traitor. Brennan under Obama started a Defense Company. I followed this VERY closely because the head of the CIA running a Defense Contracting company was what I would call an extreme conflict of interest. This company had fat government contracts and was ready to go to war in 2016. The company's name was Sotera Defense Solutions. Brennan's wikipedia page used to link it to him but that's been dropped. This links it to him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Analysis_Corporation

The Analysis Corporation (TAC) was the Intelligence Solutions business of Global Defense Technology & Systems, Inc. ("GTEC"), now renamed Sotera Defense Solutions, a defense contracting company. After leaving government service in 2005, Brennan became CEO of The Analysis Corporation, a security consulting business https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brennan_(CIA_officer)

Two things happen after Trump takes office. First Sotera is denied a government contract to the tune of millions, $207,703,811 to be exact. https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.sotera_defense_solutions_inc.a2ef1d61d9a023f2ed11f009bf0e51f9.html#contact-anchor Brennan was VERY loud and angry about this. Sotera was denied a few more contracts. Eventually the company is reduced to nothing which is one of the things that originally made me believe Q and Trump. You can search the former company here: http://web.archive.org/web/20160310002816/http://soteradefense.com/about-us For the fucktwits who love to argue and will say buhhh Sotera was just an IT company here is a list of past employees. https://bizstanding.com/p/sotera+defense+solutions+inc-69712132 That is quite a list of "professionals". Now Sotera is owned by William Weber https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.sotera_defense_solutions_inc.a2ef1d61d9a023f2ed11f009bf0e51f9.html#contact-anchor and their website is blank http://www.soteradefense.com/ so whatever Brennan had going on there is done. He has been wiped from the current pages thought the wayback site has lots of archived data. And to answer my own question of where is that hateful fuck? Well, I think his wiki page answers that:

In March 2019, attorney general Bill Barr appointed United States Attorney for the District of Connecticut John Durham to investigate the origins of the FBI Crossfire Hurricane investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 elections, which involved some Trump associates.[98] In December 2019, The New York Times reported that Durham was specifically scrutinizing Brennan's role.[99][100] Durham interviewed Brennan for eight hours on August 21, 2020, after which a Brennan advisor said Durham told Brennan he was not a subject or target of a criminal investigation, but rather a witness to events.[101]

Wow. So that's interesting and explains why he stopped shit talking Trump. He sold his soul to roll over. A witness to events He can't talk because he is still a part of an ongoing investigation because that is literally the ONLY thing that would shut that evil dumb fuck up. We will see what comes from all of this but when Q outed Brennan everyone who'd been paying attention knew it was huge. Still is.

Goodbye, Mr. Rosenstein. One of the most famous Q posts. Turned out to be true. Rosenstein was kicked to the curb. The only person Q said to trust at the FBI: Trust Wray is still there. That's odd since everyone he outed is gone. That's quite a coincidence.

Also it is important to remember that politicians and hollywood are ALWAYS linked. CDAN outed people in blind items before Q did. It was never just one person outing at any one time.

I read some crazy shit on the chans but I will say this, the Salinas family is as dangerous as people say and I believe was also outed by Q. There was a time when this info came out so fast, from so many different sources, from so many different angles that it literally had to be your hobby to keep up. To retro convince anyone of any of this is near impossible. Q kept saying to archive offline. I should have taken that advice but it never occurred to me that anyone would take the chans seriously. But in-between all that zebra fucking and big tittied girls came something so dangerous they wiped the site.

And lastly, no one wants to talk about this but a trip code can be faked and I know some of those posts were faked. We knew it when they came out and they got dropped from the Q lists for the people who took it seriously and were trying to figure out what was going on. But I always thought the posts about the Clinton's being arrested were fake. It has long been my assumption that a blanket secret EO protects them all from their crimes. But only those in elected or appointed office. Everyone else is fair game. Which was why Rosenstein was such a big deal to me. You wouldn't go for the Clintons. You'd go lower on the pole and move up. There are things that cannot be disputed like the list of resignations. I just did a search for the list and found tons of hit pieces about "Q anon quack followers are dumb enough to believe CEO's are resigning but they're not really". Except, Business Insider says they are. https://www.businessinsider.com/biggest-ceo-departures-wework-juul-ebay-warner-bros-metlife-2019-10?op=1 Business Insider is a known shiller so I found it interesting that even they back it up. The sleaze media is counting on you be so stupid that you can only read one article. Does Q explain all of these resignations? Some. But here's the reality, what DOES explain all of these mass resignations? This whole thing kicked off with Comey being fired and Matt Lauer being outed. Really? The same Comey who helped cover up HSBC? Because I watched HSBC roll out linked to the drug cartels and the clintons and knew when Comey and Holder covered it up that the Obama admin was a new level of evil. https://theblacksphere.net/2017/10/more-fraud-at-hsbc-bank-links-james-comey/

It was a warning shot that turned into a war. And if I figure correctly, it is still going on but that is up for debate even with me sometimes.

Then take up the FBI raid of the observatory in NM and the subsequent shutting down of the Arecibo telescope which was explained away neatly as cable failures. That's laughable. I know people who work at Arecibo and their job IS the constant maintenance of that telescope. It's always been that way. It's located on an island where it's in a humid jungle. EVERY THING had to have constant maintenance. After it shut down I asked someone who worked there what happened and they dodged the question but I pressed. Finally when it became obvious that I needed to change the subject I shifted instead of an outright change and asked if it could have been used for something other than it's intended use. She paused and said, "Arecibo is tiny. We lived, worked, ate together. If someone was doing something odd we would have all known. It would have been impossible to conceal even in the middle of the night because someone was always in there. But I will tell you what I thought was off. ALL DATA collected went to one place. I always thought that was so odd. Here's an instrument we are all supposed to have access to and yet everything went straight to Stanford. They were the final authority. What went public was because they approved it." So I asked, "You mean the scope could have been a spy collection site sending all data to Stanford under the guise of research?" She pulled her lips tight and nodded. I asked her if she believed that. She said, "I believe I was there to do the job I was contracted to do but if you're asking, I will always point out that EVERY university should have had access to that data if it fulfilled a part of their curriculum."

So this is a long way of saying it wasn't just about Q who I always assumed had been named because of Star Trek Q or because it is simply the first letter on the qwerty keypad. LOTS of assumptions were made, none of which I believed. The trust the plan posts were also taken way out of context. I was one of the people who saw those original posts and was watching Praying Medic on twitter who was also finding the same things I was. To elevate Q to a status of salvation is absurd. If I understood the Q posts correctly all he ever said was YOU HAVE TO KNOW what's going on to get through this. Amen, brother. So when I see the Q haters on here I know they are lazy fucktards who wanted someone to hand them the answers. That isn't how this works. Knowledge builds on knowledge. You don't know something because someone told you. You know something because it suddenly shows itself as a piece of the puzzle. Liz Crokin was talking about this all during the Obama admin. Whether she is right or not remains to be seen but one thing is certain, she knew something and they ruined her career. Russell Brand is the same. Here is a guy who had the top spot and literally says everything we say on poal and where is he? He's running his own podcast. That's where he is. A headlining A+ List comedian running a podcast with no media attention at all. At some point all of this becomes a statistical improbability. Period. Pay attention long enough, connect the dots long enough and it all loops back around. Every time. Same names. Same families. Same evil. With or without Q same names, same families, same evil. Arguing about whether Q was real or not is obsolete. The time has passed. We are Q. And every piece of info that leads people closer to the truth is that plan and until people realize that they are fucked in a system of lies designed to derail them every second of their miserable lives.

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So I hope this post will remain up, as I intend to be civil.

Why would you think posts like yours get removed?

What Q prediction has come true that makes it obvious that the swamp is being drained?

This question has some problems.

First of all, it asks for a single event that will on it's own will prove the case. There is no single event that will do that.

The question also reflects an expectation that this single event will make it obvious that things are happening, but 'being obvious' is relative to who's asking and what they know (or think they know), and what they expect to happen.

Also, the question assumes that Q made any predictions, but leaves it wide open as to what those predictions allegedly were. It doesn't offer any reason to assume that any predictions were made, but only suggests it, and by doing so supports the idea that Q did.

It's a loaded question.

The belief that there's any sort of plan lies in the unfoldment of a lot of different events, as well as through many pieces of information that correspond to those events and to what many expect to happen (whether they will or not). To expect anyone to produce enough of that in a concise and convincing way to change the minds of anyone else is virtually impossible. You either get it or you don't.

Any doubter of Q (or a 'plan') should read Q's posts before questioning his credibility or the content of his posts or what they might be saying. In my experience, none of the doubters I've come across have ever done that.

It's interesting to observe how Q is being brought up so frequently for no real reason recently. The DS could benefit from that.

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There is no single event that will do that.

Do you not see this as a problem? That the only way to convince yourself of the validity of something is to piece together as many vague and possibly completely unconnected things as possible?

To expect anyone to produce enough of that in a concise and convincing way to change the minds of anyone else is virtually impossible.

Why? True things are generally not difficult to prove

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Do you not see this as a problem? That the only way to convince yourself of the validity of something is to piece together as many vague and possibly completely unconnected things as possible?

When have I done that?

True things are generally not difficult to prove

Do you understand physics by observing one aspect of it? Do you understand how a computer works by running a piece of software? Do you understand anything of any complexity at all by knowing just one or two pieces of information?

You confuse 'true' with 'simple'. That's a sign of a very low IQ.

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The followers will usually call the disbelievers “shills” or something similar

That's because they don't know what a shill is. They ALWAYS misuse the term. Qtards are shills, by definition. Bunch of illiterate retards with nigger tier IQs.

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Pleas enlighten us with your deep wisdom. What is the true meaning of "shill?"

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Go look it up in a dictionary you lazy retarded nigger.

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In other words, you don't know. You say others misuse the term, but you don't even know what it means! Talk about projection (another word you don't understand) calling people what you are, a retarded nigger . Now shut the fuck up.

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Another one of those posts that show off your IQ level. Good for you!