I just realized I never answered this because Microsoft destroyed my response when they forced another 'update' on me last week. I'll try again....
What I would ask you is" which group (the Masons or the jews ) clearly were anti-god right from the beginning ?
The Jews aren't anti-god, since they have their Elohim. The Joos (Ashkenazi leaders who took the place of the earlier Sanhedrin after the Jewish people were scattered into Europe) created Masonry and earlier secret societies like the Order of the Rose Croix (Rosicrucians) in order to serve their agenda for world domination. Masonry was created to draw in Christians and slowly indoctrinate them into Luciferianism and use them as proxies for unfolding their agenda.
The earliest and most cherished symbol of Masonry is the square and compass. This symbol outlines the six-pointed star, which is a purely Kabbalistic symbol. The Kabbalah was invented by the Joos as a mystical science, and this symbol has very special layers of meaning to them. The square and compass symbol has equivalent layers of meaning in Masonry. Masonry was founded by Rosicrucians, and Rosicrucianism developed out of the secret mystical schools that existed during the Dark Ages, when heretics had to operate in secret during the Inquisition. These secret schools practiced the Kabbalah and obviously had many Jews as members. Later Kabbalists (mostly or exclusively Ashkenazi Jews who came west out of eastern Europe around the 12th century) used the six-pointed star as a symbol on their house fronts to identify themselves to other Jews, who would go to them for consultation on personal matters. The Rothschilds were Kabbalists and used this symbol on their early family crest.
Modern science developed out of these secret mystical schools, particularly through the study of alchemy, which developed into modern chemistry. Other fields of science followed. The first scientific institutions that still exist today were founded by Masons/Rosicrucians (i.e. the Royal Society of London for the Promotion of Natural Knowledge). The main goal of the early secret mystical schools was to advance man into gods. This is where stories about the Fountain of Youth, the Elixir of Life, and the Philosopher's Stone came from. The Joos have always controlled the scientific establishment with this same goal in mind, and modern genetics is the height of their achievements. They've moved away from the religion of Judaism to that of science, and only use the common Jew for their own purposes. In that way, and for the fact that they use Masonry to destroy Christianity, they appear to be anti-god.
Who infiltrated Who?
When you understand the history I just outlined, it will make sense. It took me a long time researching to learn all this, so don't expect to get it overnight. It will make even more sense when you understand the mindset of the Jew, who has become trapped in their own self-segregated lifestyle and laws. I would recommend reading the first 5 or 6 chapters of Douglas Reed's The Controversy of Zion (controversyofzion.info), which gives a good explanation of the early history of the Jews and how the Mosaic Laws were developed by the Levite priests during the House of Judah's stay in Babylon, and how these early rabbinical leaders used those laws to lead the Jewish people into thinking they are specially chosen to inherit the earth and everything on it.
no,.........what I said, and is clearly evident is the "the antigod" group, the ones that believe "satan,lucifer,ahriman" freed man from God's cruel prison and gave man "knowledge" pre Dated any Jew or mention of Jew (abraham) by several thousand years. These are what came from Zorastrians(arhiman) ....these are before any of the convoluted history you took so much time to write out. in other words "the ones we call freemasons predated any jew or twelve tribes of Israel" . I gave you a link that will provide you with the correct chronology.
clearly evident
Where???
You gave me a link to Bill Cooper, who's only giving his own opinions based on what information he's come across. We all have our own individual opinions based on whatever information we've come across, so take what he or anyone says for what it's worth, but don't expect it to be the end-all of any discussion. Nobody today can tell you what the real history of any of this is.
All I know is, there appears to have been knowledge that was passed up from previous civilizations that was kept secret and only shared among the learned in ancient times. Part of that included using false realities to feed the masses in order to control them, and this is where organized religions, the concept of Satan, etc. came from.
If you don't like long-winded responses, there's no hope in discussing this with you. I could have added a lot more, but you seem to not value anything unless it comes from a popular source.
"clearly evident" ...yes..from both a modern archeological and biblical stand point. gilgamesh( arhiman) predates any jew, hebrew,isrealite. what ever you wish to call them. they are the secret handshake group that existed from the begining(zorastrians). my answers are short because of my crappy device with its poor cracked and small touch screen. did I mention it auto suggests incredibly inane words and phrases? ones that I have to go back and correct? hehe. many will say the battle of gilgamesh and the clay tablets that come from that period are the precursor for the bible including the virgin birth idea. Isis and osiris also relate the virgin birth precurser. those two are in chronological order. the sun, snakes are both items common to religions from around the world.I had the same opinion as you seem to have( that the jews were at the top of evil pyramid ) back in the nineties . I no longer believe that to be true. I believe , and I think with both agree to a certain degree that ALL organized religions that had the possibility to exert control, leverage, and be profited from were in fact ,hijacked. right from the beginning . the real question is by whom? I think we can both agree that it's evil in nature, that it seems to propagate transsexual behavior, it glorifies death and human sacrifice. well those playbook were written long ago ,Baphomet the trans god of the mid east ( predating any tribe of isreal) seems to be pretty popular . did I mention children were burned alive during those rituals? I would certainly put many other groups ahead of the jews in terms of influence on modern society . a Catholic in the US for example would probably know what the pope said in his last speech, whereas a modern jew has know idea who the head rabbi is or what he said in his last speech. you see this secret hand shake group live inside All of them. OH but the Proticals ..... yeah ,so what? the jesuits have the same thing, so do the Mormons . They all want to rule the world. it's nothing new. I think we can agree on the idea of evil, and on the obverse goodness. that my friend is the rudimentary of what we call Faith. now it was a huge pain to write this out on this device ,that clearly was compromised by a retarded programmer in china. if in your last thought you were suggesting Bill Cooper is again becoming popular, it's a good thing. I was blessed to have been told about his radio shows when he was doing them, although I will admit I didn't understand the importance of his research until yrs later.....you see I've been doing this research long before the internet, I've had this same conversation s in person and on various blogs and websites hundreds of times since. take it for what it worth. I've got no dog in your fight, your battle is with you.
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