I just realized I never answered this because Microsoft destroyed my response when they forced another 'update' on me last week. I'll try again.... >What I would ask you is" which group (the Masons or the jews ) clearly were anti-god right from the beginning ? The Jews aren't anti-god, since they have their Elohim. The Joos (Ashkenazi leaders who took the place of the earlier Sanhedrin after the Jewish people were scattered into Europe) created Masonry and earlier secret societies like the Order of the Rose Croix (Rosicrucians) in order to serve their agenda for world domination. Masonry was created to draw in Christians and slowly indoctrinate them into Luciferianism and use them as proxies for unfolding their agenda. The earliest and most cherished symbol of Masonry is the square and compass. This symbol outlines the six-pointed star, which is a purely Kabbalistic symbol. The Kabbalah was invented by the Joos as a mystical science, and this symbol has very special layers of meaning to them. The square and compass symbol has equivalent layers of meaning in Masonry. Masonry was founded by Rosicrucians, and Rosicrucianism developed out of the secret mystical schools that existed during the Dark Ages, when heretics had to operate in secret during the Inquisition. These secret schools practiced the Kabbalah and obviously had many Jews as members. Later Kabbalists (mostly or exclusively Ashkenazi Jews who came west out of eastern Europe around the 12th century) used the six-pointed star as a symbol on their house fronts to identify themselves to other Jews, who would go to them for consultation on personal matters. The Rothschilds were Kabbalists and used this symbol on their early family crest. Modern science developed out of these secret mystical schools, particularly through the study of alchemy, which developed into modern chemistry. Other fields of science followed. The first scientific institutions that still exist today were founded by Masons/Rosicrucians (i.e. the Royal Society of London for the Promotion of Natural Knowledge). The main goal of the early secret mystical schools was to advance man into gods. This is where stories about the Fountain of Youth, the Elixir of Life, and the Philosopher's Stone came from. The Joos have always controlled the scientific establishment with this same goal in mind, and modern genetics is the height of their achievements. They've moved away from the religion of Judaism to that of science, and only use the common Jew for their own purposes. In that way, and for the fact that they use Masonry to destroy Christianity, they appear to be anti-god. >Who infiltrated Who? When you understand the history I just outlined, it will make sense. It took me a long time researching to learn all this, so don't expect to get it overnight. It will make even more sense when you understand the mindset of the Jew, who has become trapped in their own self-segregated lifestyle and laws. I would recommend reading the first 5 or 6 chapters of Douglas Reed's [*The Controversy of Zion*](https://controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/index.htm), which gives a good explanation of the early history of the Jews and how the Mosaic Laws were developed by the Levite priests during the House of Judah's stay in Babylon, and how these early rabbinical leaders used those laws to lead the Jewish people into thinking they are specially chosen to inherit the earth and everything on it.