Idaho doctor reports a ‘20 times increase’ of cancer in vaccinated patients

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I agree, the title sounds very much like typical misleading fear porn. Yep, lots of the posts on this site are just regurgitation of click bait bs for likes and views.

However i completely dispute your claim 'that this type of research has been done and is still ongoing... '. The SARS-CoV 2 vaccine has only been around for roughly 8 months - i strongly doubt any research or study into 'cancers caused from the vaccine' has even been started let alone any clinical studies completed. They completely skipped the animal trials remember, which may have alerted to early signals requiring further investigation and study.

So you're really just conflating research and data from other areas as somehow equivalent and correlating to the unknown potential of Covid-19 vaccine induced risk . That's bad science, bro.

If you wanna prove me wrong give me links for actual clinical research being done on this subject, i'm all ears. Until then suggesting that this vaccine is or isn't potentially responsible for the types of cancer mentioned (after pathology diagnostic signals suggesting otherwise) is unsupported by the latest available data and implying otherwise is vaccine misinformation.

You didn't answer how long ago you got your jab ?? ...

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I agree, the title sounds very much like typical misleading fear porn. Yep, lots of the posts on this site are just regurgitation of click bait bs for likes and views.

Awesome. So we don't really disagree. We agree about 90%-95% which means we shouldn't be at each other's throats. I'll keep it respectful, then.

However i completely dispute your claim 'that this type of research has been done and is still ongoing... '.

It is. It's foundational work in Phase III trials for any pharmaceutical, not just COVID-19 vaccines. All adverse outcomes are tracked, not just specific things. Everything. And they control against population incidence (how often it occurs naturally in human populations). And the follow-ups on the Phase III trials don't end until 2023.

The SARS-CoV 2 vaccine has only been around for roughly 8 months

Almost exactly 1 year since Phase III human trials, actually. And they published the phase I human trial data in May 2020.

https://www.modernatx.com/modernas-work-potential-vaccine-against-covid-19

Pretty cool, right? They already had the mRNA tech solved before SARS-CoV-2 came around. It was just applying it in a very open and noticeable way that drew so much attention to the mRNA vaccines. This is why they could go so quickly to Phase I human trials shortly after the Alpha Variant started murder-fucking people in Italy and NY.

i strongly doubt any research or study into 'cancers caused from the vaccine' has even been started let alone any clinical studies completed.

Like I said, that's foundational, basics of basics, work done in human studies. That's definitely been done already in their human trial testing and is ongoing. Unlike silica shards that can cause cancer 40 years later in your longs, almost all adverse effects you'd see from a vaccine happen in the first 2 months.

They completely skipped the animal trials remember, which may have alerted to early signals requiring further investigation and study.

That's wrong. That was disinformation being spread on Facebook. Both Pfizer and Moderna tested on macaques and mice.

And the humans who participated in the early Phase I trials were made fully aware of the consequences, had to sign papers, and were compensated. Also, I think we should let prisoners pay their debt back to society by volunteering for these types of studies. Reduce their sentences if they prove they can work with medical staff to study new treatments and drugs. Sorry to get side-tracked.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9792931264

Main takeaway:

"University of Pennsylvania professor of medicine Dr. Drew Weissman, who has been studying mRNA and mRNA vaccines for decades, said they do not cause dangerous inflammation to animals. Along with the vaccines for Pfizer and Moderna both passing animal trials, they also passed clinical trials on humans where they were tested on more than 70,000 people."

Remember, the mRNA vaccines are programming your body to produce specific antibodies that target specific antigens. It's programming your body to produce a key that unlocks pathogens (lyse) to kill them. The pharmacokinetics of mRNA vaccines have been solved for a while. We know how they work. We've tested them a lot. The only thing we are doing when we produce a new mRNA vaccine is adjusting the biological instruction sets to target other antigens. That's it. This is an easily repeatable process once you have sequenced the nucleotides of the target pathogen. Rinse. Repeat. View your natural immunity as a powerful shotgun and the mRNA vaccines as a sniper rifle - that is also why they have diminished efficacy against the Delta variant.

Until then suggesting that this vaccine is or isn't potentially responsible for the types of cancer mentioned (after pathology diagnostic signals suggesting otherwise) is unsupported by the latest available data and implying otherwise is vaccine misinformation.

Incorrect. The opposite is true. Suggesting that there is a new, magical, cancer that popped up and is caused by these specific vaccines is vaccine disinformation and amounts to pseudoscience. This doctor is definitely full of shit.

There's one primary reason why they cannot cause cancer: their payload pathway doesn't mess with your DNA at all. DNA mutations are what cause cancer. There's no pathway to cancer for the mRNA vaccines to cause them.

There are other pervasive pseudoscience arguments being made about the mRNA vaccines and causing cancer. Such as "the mRNA vaccines suppress certain proteins which prevented certain types of cancer." That one was false because it was basing it off of a study from 2018 when these mRNA vaccines didn't exist for this:

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9994785135

>I agree, the title sounds very much like typical misleading fear porn. Yep, lots of the posts on this site are just regurgitation of click bait bs for likes and views. Awesome. So we don't really disagree. We agree about 90%-95% which means we shouldn't be at each other's throats. I'll keep it respectful, then. >However i completely dispute your claim 'that this type of research has been done and is still ongoing... '. It is. It's foundational work in Phase III trials for any pharmaceutical, not just COVID-19 vaccines. All adverse outcomes are tracked, not just specific things. Everything. And they control against population incidence (how often it occurs naturally in human populations). And the follow-ups on the Phase III trials don't end until 2023. >The SARS-CoV 2 vaccine has only been around for roughly 8 months Almost exactly 1 year since Phase III human trials, actually. And they published the phase I human trial data in May 2020. https://www.modernatx.com/modernas-work-potential-vaccine-against-covid-19 Pretty cool, right? They already had the mRNA tech solved before SARS-CoV-2 came around. It was just applying it in a very open and noticeable way that drew so much attention to the mRNA vaccines. This is why they could go so quickly to Phase I human trials shortly after the Alpha Variant started murder-fucking people in Italy and NY. >i strongly doubt any research or study into 'cancers caused from the vaccine' has even been started let alone any clinical studies completed. Like I said, that's foundational, basics of basics, work done in human studies. That's definitely been done already in their human trial testing and is ongoing. Unlike silica shards that can cause cancer 40 years later in your longs, almost all adverse effects you'd see from a vaccine happen in the first 2 months. >They completely skipped the animal trials remember, which may have alerted to early signals requiring further investigation and study. That's wrong. That was disinformation being spread on Facebook. Both Pfizer and Moderna tested on macaques and mice. And the humans who participated in the early Phase I trials were made fully aware of the consequences, had to sign papers, and were compensated. Also, I think we should let prisoners pay their debt back to society by volunteering for these types of studies. Reduce their sentences if they prove they can work with medical staff to study new treatments and drugs. Sorry to get side-tracked. https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9792931264 Main takeaway: *"University of Pennsylvania professor of medicine Dr. Drew Weissman, who has been studying mRNA and mRNA vaccines for decades, said they do not cause dangerous inflammation to animals. Along with the vaccines for Pfizer and Moderna both passing animal trials, they also passed clinical trials on humans where they were tested on more than 70,000 people."* Remember, the mRNA vaccines are programming your body to produce specific antibodies that target specific antigens. It's programming your body to produce a key that unlocks pathogens (lyse) to kill them. The pharmacokinetics of mRNA vaccines have been solved for a while. We know how they work. We've tested them a lot. The only thing we are doing when we produce a new mRNA vaccine is adjusting the biological instruction sets to target other antigens. That's it. This is an easily repeatable process once you have sequenced the nucleotides of the target pathogen. Rinse. Repeat. View your natural immunity as a powerful shotgun and the mRNA vaccines as a sniper rifle - that is also why they have diminished efficacy against the Delta variant. >Until then suggesting that this vaccine is or isn't potentially responsible for the types of cancer mentioned (after pathology diagnostic signals suggesting otherwise) is unsupported by the latest available data and implying otherwise is vaccine misinformation. Incorrect. The opposite is true. Suggesting that there is a new, magical, cancer that popped up and is caused by these specific vaccines is vaccine disinformation and amounts to pseudoscience. This doctor is definitely full of shit. There's one primary reason why they cannot cause cancer: their payload pathway doesn't mess with your DNA at all. DNA mutations are what cause cancer. There's no pathway to cancer for the mRNA vaccines to cause them. There are other pervasive pseudoscience arguments being made about the mRNA vaccines and causing cancer. Such as "the mRNA vaccines suppress certain proteins which prevented certain types of cancer." That one was false because it was basing it off of a study from 2018 when these mRNA vaccines didn't exist for this: https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9994785135

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No. As you agree the phase 111 trials have not been completed yet. So there is no clinical evidence yet for those assumptions. Your inferring again that previous 'vaccine' study data applies to mRNA technology -- it does not they are two different methods of delivery, traditional using attenuated live virus and this entirely new mRNA technology. Not tested on human subjects before this and previously only in testing for animals. Phase i trials tested 'safety and efficacy' for prevention of contracting Covid 19. Go read the actual study data, Recipients of the vaccine were monitored for a total of 1 week post injection to see if they remained free from symptoms of Covid 19. That is where the '95% effective at preventing Covid19' comes from. One week !!... Phase 2 trials consisted of a 2 month period of monitoring to see if recipients remained free from symptoms of Covid 19. 2 months. The trials determined 'safety and efficacy' of the mRNA vaccine to prevent severe Covid 19 thus reducing hospitalization and death. That is all Phase 2 clinical trials tested and monitored for. Not for how adverse effects may transpire, nor potential for different reactions etc, or for long term risk. NO clinical trials show 'conferring immunity' as with a traditional vaccine -it doesn't prevent one from infection only reduce symptoms as your immune system has a head start via spike protein manufacture. Nor clinical trials show reducing 'transmission' as with a traditional vaccine. Those vaccinated who contract Covid 19 can still transmit it to others, no matter if vaccinated or not.

The problem here specifically, is not the mRNA vaccine itself, but rather the spike protein it simulates the body to manufacture and the observed facts that the spike has an affinity for the ACE2 receptors in the endothelial tissue in the body and that the spike protein is cytotoxic. As the Testicles and Uterus are particularly rich in ACE2 receptors it is not an unreasonable assumption that the spike may migrate to these sites and potentially cause problems. We don't actually know the actual answer bc none of the clinical studies thought it necessary to include or carry out dynamic or kinetic studies to test where the vaccine migrated post injection.

So all we have to go on are thousands of anecdotal reports of menstrual irregularities and increased first trimester spontaneous abortions to infer the likely effect on both the female, and by extension the male, reproductive capacity.

What this Doctors infers is a potential signal problem via his increase incidence, evidence from diagnostic pathology requiring further investigation.

Also The PEGylated Lipid Nanoparticle that encapsulates the mRNA 'vaccine' is simply 'expelled' from the target cell at injection site. No clinical studies have shown what happens to these Lipids post injection, only that they deliver the vaccine payload and then are simply 'ejected' from the cell. Nor is anyone suggesting 'a new magical cancer', that's factually incorrect and plain false.

'almost all adverse effects you'd see from a vaccine happen in the first 2 months.' Just lol, you have no clinical evidence to support that. I guess smoking isn't responsible for increased risk of cancers, simply bc nothing is apparent in the first 60 days ??. Plus evidence for that claim of 2 months comes from the Phase 2 trials where participants were only monitored for 2 months. None of these Clinical studies has even examined the use of repeated boosters either. Nor will i bother with your 'fact checkers' .

To make the claim you do, that these vaccines 'don't cause cancer bc they cant, they don't alter DNA nor is there a pathway ...' is short-sighted, at best premature, at worst disingenuous.

You still haven't answered how long ago you got your vaccine - i mean here you are defending the vaccine, so surely you would put your arm where your mouth is and already have taken the jab ??.... i mean surely, right ??.

No. As you agree the phase 111 trials have not been completed yet. So there is no clinical evidence yet for those assumptions. Your inferring again that previous 'vaccine' study data applies to mRNA technology -- it does not they are two different methods of delivery, traditional using attenuated live virus and this entirely new mRNA technology. Not tested on human subjects before this and previously only in testing for animals. Phase i trials tested 'safety and efficacy' for prevention of contracting Covid 19. Go read the actual study data, Recipients of the vaccine were monitored for a total of 1 week post injection to see if they remained free from symptoms of Covid 19. That is where the '95% effective at preventing Covid19' comes from. One week !!... Phase 2 trials consisted of a 2 month period of monitoring to see if recipients remained free from symptoms of Covid 19. 2 months. The trials determined 'safety and efficacy' of the mRNA vaccine to prevent severe Covid 19 thus reducing hospitalization and death. That is all Phase 2 clinical trials tested and monitored for. Not for how adverse effects may transpire, nor potential for different reactions etc, or for long term risk. NO clinical trials show 'conferring immunity' as with a traditional vaccine -it doesn't prevent one from infection only reduce symptoms as your immune system has a head start via spike protein manufacture. Nor clinical trials show reducing 'transmission' as with a traditional vaccine. Those vaccinated who contract Covid 19 can still transmit it to others, no matter if vaccinated or not. The problem here specifically, is not the mRNA vaccine itself, but rather the spike protein it simulates the body to manufacture and the observed facts that the spike has an affinity for the ACE2 receptors in the endothelial tissue in the body and that the spike protein is cytotoxic. As the Testicles and Uterus are particularly rich in ACE2 receptors it is not an unreasonable assumption that the spike may migrate to these sites and potentially cause problems. We don't actually know the actual answer bc none of the clinical studies thought it necessary to include or carry out dynamic or kinetic studies to test where the vaccine migrated post injection. So all we have to go on are thousands of anecdotal reports of menstrual irregularities and increased first trimester spontaneous abortions to infer the likely effect on both the female, and by extension the male, reproductive capacity. What this Doctors infers is a potential signal problem via his increase incidence, evidence from diagnostic pathology requiring further investigation. Also The PEGylated Lipid Nanoparticle that encapsulates the mRNA 'vaccine' is simply 'expelled' from the target cell at injection site. No clinical studies have shown what happens to these Lipids post injection, only that they deliver the vaccine payload and then are simply 'ejected' from the cell. Nor is anyone suggesting 'a new magical cancer', that's factually incorrect and plain false. 'almost all adverse effects you'd see from a vaccine happen in the first 2 months.' Just lol, you have no clinical evidence to support that. I guess smoking isn't responsible for increased risk of cancers, simply bc nothing is apparent in the first 60 days ??. Plus evidence for that claim of 2 months comes from the Phase 2 trials where participants were only monitored for 2 months. None of these Clinical studies has even examined the use of repeated boosters either. Nor will i bother with your 'fact checkers' . To make the claim you do, that these vaccines 'don't cause cancer bc they cant, they don't alter DNA nor is there a pathway ...' is short-sighted, at best premature, at worst disingenuous. You still haven't answered how long ago you got your vaccine - i mean here you are defending the vaccine, so surely you would put your arm where your mouth is and already have taken the jab ??.... i mean surely, right ??.

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