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It will surprise most Americans to learn that Abraham Lincoln was not a nice man. We've been taught to venerate him and memorize two short speeches of his -- The Gettysburg Address and The Emancipation Proclamation -- and that, together with his famous Top Hat, are about all that we know and the basis of all that we assume, about Abraham Lincoln.
There are several hundred other speeches by Lincoln that reveal Abraham Lincoln, the Rat, in great detail. Those other speeches which we and even some "Lincoln Scholars" ignore at our hazard, show us who Lincoln really was: a greedy, grasping, power-hungry politician, a racist, a master of legal deceits, an able slanderer, and a tool for the Railroad Barons and other industrialists. Lincoln's opposition to slavery was merely to prevent its extension into the new western territories --- he wanted to preserve those open horizons for white men and women. The same prejudice motivated the savage suppression and relocation of American Natives before, during, and after the Civil War. More at link

http://www.paulstramer.net/2021/04/lincoln-rat.html?m=1

It will surprise most Americans to learn that Abraham Lincoln was not a nice man. We've been taught to venerate him and memorize two short speeches of his -- The Gettysburg Address and The Emancipation Proclamation -- and that, together with his famous Top Hat, are about all that we know and the basis of all that we assume, about Abraham Lincoln. There are several hundred other speeches by Lincoln that reveal Abraham Lincoln, the Rat, in great detail. Those other speeches which we and even some "Lincoln Scholars" ignore at our hazard, show us who Lincoln really was: a greedy, grasping, power-hungry politician, a racist, a master of legal deceits, an able slanderer, and a tool for the Railroad Barons and other industrialists. Lincoln's opposition to slavery was merely to prevent its extension into the new western territories --- he wanted to preserve those open horizons for white men and women. The same prejudice motivated the savage suppression and relocation of American Natives before, during, and after the Civil War. More at link http://www.paulstramer.net/2021/04/lincoln-rat.html?m=1

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It depends on the historians that wrote about him, and that would depend on the accuracy and people who recorded the info provided by those who knew him, and that would depend on whether they were honest and if they liked him or not.

If someone dies a week ago a person could come up with info and people that could support a negative or positive view of the person. Could only imagine how it would be with someone who died over a 150 years ago.

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Well, at the time that they first floated the idea that Jefferson had sex with his own slaves, it was common knowledge that the information was bad from bogus sources and had been discredited repeatedly. And the people who first started that slanderous rumor and lied repeatedly about other subjects when it often created myths whole cloth. Then others started repeating it and then others. Eventually people with some credibility start repeating the lies that they have heard and now it’s considered history. We’ve gone so far as to “find“ some “descendants“ of Jefferson that could not possibly have descended from him.

Lincoln was flawed, but he also had balls enough to get the job done, whether you agree with his work or not.

I wish certain other presidents had had the balls to do what was necessary in tough times to preserve our republic instead of allowing drones to force people back into their homes because of a virus that won’t even kill them. We surrendered our republic in spring of 2020. We used to “states rights” as an excuse to allow governors to violate the rights of their own citizens illegally and unconstitutional. Those governors should’ve been arrested but instead were allowed to destroy our republic by forever taking something they will never get back.

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Good post! You gave an example of exactly what I was meaning.

I also agree with you about Lincoln. If you critic anyone’s life based on standards in which weren’t around at the time of their life I doubt they’d pass muster. We are flawed to some degree.