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More like it's easier to fake paper ballots these days than it is to cover their tracks electronically

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Yep. Nz used paper last year and I'm convinced that the election was fraudulent.

Who counts the votes?

Note that those ballots have now all been destroyed

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You'd think there would be some requirement to keep them for several years, like tax records and certain medical paperwork.

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6 months. That's how long you get to go to court and get an order for the office of the secretary to release. Maybe. The ballots.

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So I agree that the fraud that is happening in the US is likely stuffing. If you think about how you'd want to cheat an election, that would be the way to do it. An anonymous voting system practically asks for it. The problem with using the machine is the momentum it gives. How quickly, without anyone looking at any ballots, were they able to say Biden won? Momentum counts for something. Because as soon as that was the presumption, courts could come up with ridiculous standards to even get the ballots looked at. Basically require Trump to prove that not only that there was fraud but that he actually won without being able to look at any of the evidence.

It also appears to have bought time for the paper ballots to have been tampered with. Such as in Atlanta where the warehouse containing ballots was 'mysteriously' broken into.

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easy way to fix stuffing, have signatures ON the ballot. printed and signed. and a person can check to see their vote online

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Well, like I say, anonymous voting asks for it. If you have signatures, it's not really anonymous. Of course, mail in votes have those, so maybe there's some compromise there.

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Elections Canada does not use Dominion Voting Systems. We use paper ballots counted by hand in front of scrutineers and have never used voting machines or electronic tabulators to count votes in our 100-year history.

It looks like Ontario, the most populous province in the country has been using voting machines since 2018.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-election-electronic-voting-machines-1.4655427

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The way around that is to build the ballot in secret and release it about a week before the actual election with printers on 24/7 standby for reprints and destruction for mistakes. Since elections are local handled in the US reprinting ballots for a given district should not take more than a few hours. Granted there some districts that are 1+ million such as Montana but no one will fuck up the name of a person running for House Rep or Senator. A local city rep might not be on the ballot or the name is fucked up so that should be fixable in a few hours.

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2018/10/26/americas-largest-and-smallest-voting-districts/2/

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The way around what?

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Ballot stuffing. Hes saying you can't prefill ballots if the name order is not known until election day

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Which means they think they’ve found a way to make a convincing ballot under scrutiny. Or found another way to skew the numbers. is this just enlightened virtue signalling? “Look at us we’re better than the states”

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The trick to "democracy" is balance the perception of legitimacy with the likelihood of getting the regime's chosen candidate elected.

2016 and 2020 were "failures of democracy."

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It was so obvious that the attacks on trump since 2016 stemmed from one single source.

A tantrum over trump defeating their selected president

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They were attacking Trump well before he was elected -- really kicked into gear when he became the Republican front runner. I think they played a long game and felt like they had the setup, without needing to do much vote rigging. Seems plausible they believed their own poll numbers.

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As long as they only let contributing members of society vote, i.e. not all the violent, welfare-mooching, community center-burning shitskins.

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Who are the counters? Paper ballots are meaningless when the counters are controlled. As can be seen on many hours of video.