I can't believe they think this is a good idea.
This is much better system than what we have. This style eliminates the need to pick a fucking dementia patient because the other guy might win.. you can actually vote for who you like without risking "wasting" your vote on a third party.
There's a video (maybe cgpgray also). That goes over 3 alternatives to first past the lost.
Rank choice
Alternative vote
And I forget the third, maybe double elimination?
Each one has pros and cons, but all of them better than first past the post (in my opinion).
Maybe use a combination of the 3 (or 2 of 3) could eliminate the cons.
Use the right tool for the job. First past the post could be the right tool in certain circumstances.
Even in nature, it's all down to a binary decision. Yes/no, on/off. You go down to Plank length either it's 1 or 0. Anything not 0 is multiples of 1.
This is great. NY finally catching up to Maine on voting systems. This is how you break a 2 party system, no more voter shaming 3rd party voters
It's going to be used for primaries and special elections. Voters will choose between Democrat A, Democrat B... Democrat n. In the general election, third party candidates will still garner 1-2% of the vote.
“Voating”
It's easier to fraud through than 1 person 1 vote.
Election fraud shouldn't be conflated with election fairness.
Just like the sham argument of claiming that requiring voter ID (key to help preventing election fraud) will inhibit illiterate blacks from voting (election fairness.)
It's a bad faith argument intended to maintain the status quo.
I never conflated the two. Not once. I stated one thing and compared (conflated) it to nothing else. So what the fuck are you even trying to say? Because it doesn't apply to anything I posted.
Now, don't get your panties in a bunch. Clearly I have no idea what you were trying to say in your first comment.
My apologies for attempting to decipher your cryptic use of the English language. :)
You have no proof of that.
Not everyone is always going to vote for howefver many candidates they are allowed to rank. Due to laziness, a false sense of honest (I don't know who's what so I'm only voting for my #1!!!) etc. This can easily be frauded by filling in the otherwise blank spots with chosen candidates.
If the # of spots for ranking is 3, and you have a population of 100, then there should be 300 votes. However if 50 people only vote for 2, 20 people for 1, and 30 for all 3 we get 210 votes where 90 can be filled in.
There. That's fucking simple.
Simple and wrong.
So how on earth are you going to choose a single candidate with absolute confidence that they are best-suited to govern?
Well, you don't always pick the best one. But you know next time not to pick that one.
How bout no matter what voting system used, have a additional ballot for who you DONT want, if that candidate garners say 75% or more of the amount of total registered voters for that precinct/ county/ State, the candidate is taken out of the card completely for that cycle .....
Not a bad idea actually
If New York is doing it you know its fucking rigged and terrible. Easy to play with the numbers and have no way to track what happened. what really needs to happen is to - - remove the secret ballot. I want who votes on what to be public info. So that you can look at a website and verify your vote did go in as you voted. - Full names ON the ballot (not on a separate envelope that is thrown out)and signed and verified ON the ballot. Ballots to be held for 5 years in storage. - All voting done once a year, not throughout the year. no special elations no spring elections. Just have 1 nation election day off - mandatory voting or a $50 fine and 10 days of work crew
Why do we need this new way of voting.. how was it broken?
Imagine watching a presidential election blatantly stolen, and still getting pumped up to vote.
This is wrong.
All other western nations have greater than 3 party systems and all it accomplishes is mediocrity, inaction and bureaucracy.
I used to think the two party system in america was wrong until I started to understand this: there is no left vs right vs whatever. There is only one value system that starts with the family and negotiates away rights the further out you go away from the family nucleus.
Without writing a thesis on this, what the american two party system does that no other system does is this: IT FORCES YOU TO CHOSE.
All other systems exist for one reason only: PEOPLE ARE NOT COMFORTABLE THINKING AND THEREFORE ARE NOT COMFORTABLE HAVING TO MAKE A CHOICE SO THEY INVENT INFININTE POLITICAL LABELS AND PARTIES SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A CHOICE.
The american political system is the closest you can get to political and philosophical truth.
All other systems are flawed and will lead to the disasters that you see in the rest of the western world.
So your choice is to vote for the Dems or the Dems of 20 years ago. That's what you believe is getting close to political and philosophical truth?
That is an excellent question!
I really appreciate this question because it is the entry point into the topic. I won't be able to summarize my thoughts well enough here as I have not written much on the topic yet, so let me try this:
I am basing my opinion on the following assumptions:
1) There is no such thing as different economic systems. All that there is this:
TRADE. You pick up a thing and you own it. I pick up a thing and I own it. We decide to exchange these things, the process of exchange is called price discovery.
Increase the number of people freely trading and you invent value through price discovery, exchange medium (currency, whether it be sea shells or giant rai stones of the pacific), banking, fractional reserve, etc.
Add to the mix third parties that want a cut without playing fair and you get 1 or more people inventing rules of trade, taxes, litigation, gun fights, etc.
So, trade and private property are immutable properties of the universe, no matter how many rules you apply, how you group the rules, how you label the rules can you ever make those features of the universe go away. You can create dictatorships such as communism and outlaw private property and trade, but you cannot get rid of those intrinsic properties of the universe.
All economic labels are merely labels for arbitrary groupings of rules of trade, each grouping of rules of trade are defined by a group of people that want a cut of the business without doing anything in return.
If you work your way through all of that, what ends up happening is that the most efficient economies are those that allow the maximum amount of freedom to trade at the minimum amount of cost. This pushes price discovery down to the individual level maximizing the computing power of the population. Any set of rules of trade that move away from that increase cost of each transaction, reduce the total computing power available in the economy and centralizes the wealth generated.
2) Value systems - just like above, there are no such things as left value systems, right value systems, centrism, etc. I have never met anyone that fits exclusively into any category. Everyone says they are a concservative or a leftist or centrist or whatever, but if you dig into it, everyone seems to have the following value system diagram (this is highly simplified, i have a more detailed description of this for writeup elsewhere):
the individual - no rules apply, an individual must survive at all costs in order to useful to them selves and others.
the family - everything is shared, from those that can to those that need it.
the clan - not quite as free, some freebies between people but people start to trade things and calculate value.
the town / country - not free at all, all trade is highly rigid with value calculated and tracked to high degrees of precision.
SUMMARY:
Okay, there is a lot more that I can write about this and it may be time to start thinking about writing a book or something. For now, this is as simple as I can describe the following idea:
ABSOLUTE - There is a minimum absolute set of economic values that are universal: trade and private property are immutable properties of our universe.
ABSOLUTE - There are no political value systems, there is only a progressive set of vale exchanges people are willing to make that center at the invidual and radiate out through family, tribe, country.
In other words, the reason america is the beacon of freedom on the planet because it is the only country that has managed to figure out those two absolutes and has prioritized them as key targets of pursuit.
The entire political calculation in america is precisely that dual conversation: how close can we get to the minimum amount of rules to enable trade and private property AND how close can we get to a set of rights to guarantee the freedom of the individual, their family and their tribe.
In that context, Democracts represent true evil. They are the third person coming into a transaction between two people and trying to impose their personal opinion on something that has nothing to do with them. It is the Democract demons that want to walk into a family and tell everyone how to think and behave.
Now, the Republicans are supposed to be the beacon of the economic and political minimums necessary for maximizing human happyness and freedom. Unfortunately, they are basically just Democrats lite.
BUT! THIS IS ABSOLUTELY WHY THE AMERICAN TWO PARTY SYSTEM IS THE GREATEST OF ALL ON THE PLANET. Americans are the only civilzation on earth to have successfully identified the two abstract properties of the universe + natural value systems of our species and created a political system of good vs evil. The Democrats are demons trying to destroy america, we now just have to take over the GOP and get rid of the traitors and Democrats in disguise and make it the beacon of good that they are supposed to be.
All other political systems are either an admission by those countries that they don't have a people that care about what is true and right and therefore have created political systems that cannot make decisions or are totalitarian regimes where a group has decided to impose its will on others.
This entire endeavour of ours is just a group calculation around do we let people trade freely or do we want to tell people how to trade.
America has it right. Don't get me started on the american constitution, the single most important document in the history of human written civilization.
Your whole system hinges on: trade and private property are immutable properties of our universe. The arguments you make in support of these claims seems quite weak.
Interesting ideas. I think it would be great if we could find people that are not beholden to special interest and the mob. That doesnt leave much wiggle room but America's a mess.
I'm no expert on the science on voting, but when I first heard about this even I knew it was pants on the head retarded.
I'm missing how this system is bad. You can vote for who you want without "wasting" your vote on a third party. Two party system is how we have a potato as president right now and I think that's fucking retarded.
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