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I realize America is at a frustrating crossroads right now. Its an inflection point. I think you and a lot of others have done well to keep a level head about all the crazy shit federal, state, and local governments, and their various enforcers, NGOs, and enablers have done and outrages they've committed against American citizens (in addition to internationalisms crimes against Britons, Aussies, and our other western brothers).

If you want to know when the dam will break at a regional or national level, here is my level best assessment:

  1. power goes out for more than a week, or two weeks at most during a hot period in summer.

  2. communications black out for the same amount of time across a large region

  3. there is food disruption (everyone misses 3-4 meals), even if it is only promised as "temporary". This one I'm not even sure about.

Understand what the dam is: Its not "waiting for one event so everyone acts all at once."

Its fear vs deprivation, not outrage vs ambivalence.

Everyone is saying "will this or that event do it?"

No it wont. How it works is,

  1. when people reach a certain level of dissatisfaction, discomfort, or pain. (deprivation)

  2. in a news-cycle length emergency or abnormal political atmosphere

  3. where the conditions cause sufficient people to be thoroughly aggitated that one group takes it out on the other

  4. then people will start looking for other groups to blame.

  5. Then all the outrages come to the fore, the excesses, and crimes of a particular side.

Like taking lid off a "pressure cooker" environment.

Electricity, food, communications, those are all lids.

It requires at least a weeks worth of 'cooking' to get it right, but thats just the minimum.

To be sure, give it 2 weeks, though 3 is a stretch.

Additionally, it can be approached in two ways:

  1. promise "hope" (police reinforcements, or national guard) and continualy deny it or delay it.

  2. demoralize and make it look like everyone is completely and utterly on their own to foster a sense of "lawlessness and anarchy."

Thats the precise 'recipe and ingredient' list needed to cause any large scale fighting or civil conflict. nothing outside that will lead to conflict.

It's fear (of everything the left does, can do, or provides the illusion it can do) to people if they act against them, vs. deprivation in an emergency (and who to blame). Thats what it will take for the public to act in any meaningful capacity, and nothing less than that.

This is not an incitement, instructions, or any form of encouragement, only an analysis of the public sentiment.

I realize America is at a frustrating crossroads right now. Its an inflection point. I think you and a lot of others have done well to keep a level head about all the crazy shit federal, state, and local governments, and their various enforcers, NGOs, and enablers have done and outrages they've committed against American citizens (in addition to internationalisms crimes against Britons, Aussies, and our other western brothers). If you want to know when the dam will break at a regional or national level, here is my level best assessment: 1. power goes out for more than a week, or two weeks at most *during a hot period in summer*. 2. communications black out for the same amount of time across a large region 3. there is food disruption (everyone misses 3-4 meals), even if it is only promised as "temporary". This one I'm not even sure about. Understand what the *dam* is: Its not "waiting for one event so everyone acts all at once." Its fear vs deprivation, **not** outrage vs ambivalence. Everyone is saying "will this or that event do it?" No it wont. How it works is, 1. when people reach a certain *level* of dissatisfaction, discomfort, or pain. (deprivation) 2. in a news-cycle length emergency or abnormal political atmosphere 3. where the conditions cause sufficient people to be thoroughly aggitated that one group takes it out on the other 4. then people will start looking for other groups to blame. 5. Then all the outrages come to the fore, the excesses, and crimes of a particular side. Like taking lid off a "pressure cooker" environment. Electricity, food, communications, those are all lids. It requires at least a weeks worth of 'cooking' to get it right, but thats just the minimum. To be sure, give it 2 weeks, though 3 is a stretch. Additionally, it can be approached in two ways: 1. promise "hope" (police reinforcements, or national guard) and continualy deny it or delay it. 2. demoralize and make it look like everyone is completely and utterly on their own to foster a sense of "lawlessness and anarchy." Thats the **precise** 'recipe and ingredient' list needed to cause any large scale fighting or civil conflict. **nothing** outside that will lead to conflict. It's fear (of everything the left does, can do, or provides the illusion it can do) to people if they act against them, vs. deprivation in an emergency (and who to blame). Thats what it will take for the public to act in any meaningful capacity, and *nothing less than that*. This is not an incitement, instructions, or any form of encouragement, only an analysis of the public sentiment.

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[–] [deleted] • 4 pts

If the power goes out for an hour, cameras are off. 24 hours.... There better be a LOT of dead niggers.

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Most surveillance systems are on battery backups. And modern ones power the camera straight from the NVR via PoE.

You can run 30 cameras + switch + NVR for hours off of even a modest UPS.

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

I can destroy even a modest UPS in about 30 seconds along with all that other gay shit. lol

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The scenario was "if the power goes out for an hour or a day" not "if you could sneak into the building, past the still running security systems, and find where the "gay shit" is to destroy it."

Keep on LARPing.

[–] [deleted] • 3 pts

No event. For the last 2 years we all knew they were planning to cheat the election. We had our hopes on SCOTUS. I for one thought RBG death was providence. That didn’t end well. There were plenty of signs the rule of law was eroding in real time. Certain states completely ignoring 45’s EOs or alphabet mafia agencies ignoring his order for complete declassification. For an entire summer we all saw rioters/arsonists go free while anti lockdown business owners went to jail. 5 prominent governors allowed flu patients to stay at nursing homes killing hundreds of thousands while we were told not to visit grandma because of health. BLM was allowed to protest and riot all the while destroying our attempts to assemble against lockdowns. Media gaslighting. Far too many examples to list them all. The saddest by far involved one the largest and most successful counter narrative movement...Blue Lives Matter. Back the Blue. We all supported them without question. How were we rewarded? They locked us up if we tried to defend ourselves. They complied too easily enforcing mask mandates. How the police treated us hurt the most. Only a divine event will change this.

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Best post on poal or voat probably ever. It is exactly what we all want to know

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Growling bellies is the only thing that will motivate the vast majority of normies to change anything.

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power goes out for more than a week, or two weeks at most during a hot period in summer.

Having dealt with just a few days of no power earlier this year in Texas, this is very true. At least with sub-freezing weather you have the yard to store cold goods. Everything will go bad in a warm house.

It's all about the fragility/dependency of most people's lives. Contrast that with rural living where you can be self-sufficient for long periods.

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Everything will go bad in a warm house.. It's all about the fragility/dependency of most people's lives. Contrast that with rural living where you can be self-sufficient for long periods.

Exactly. Also, hot weather and no electricity aggregates demographic tensions. Combine that with boredom, and hunger, and you get riots on a much larger scale. If the state or any other actor wanted some sort of civil conflict, this is the conditions they would create.

These conditions haven't been established, so either the state doesn't want a large scale conflict (and theres reason to believe thats true), or they wanted to solidify their power to have the best chance of winning against citizens before the state goes ahead and starts any sort of conflagration.

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I get it, when it's below freezing and people are hungry, things are difficult. But if it's warm and they're hungry, it's time to raid the stores and break in to houses.

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I get it, when it's below freezing and people are hungry, things are difficult.

More along the lines of the right is reactionary. Until the looting/rioting is on a sufficient scale and goes on long enough, it won't break the programming about "the state is in charge. the state will save us! never defend yourselves!". The cold keeps the left in for the most part, saps momentum, so thats a no go for them.

Basically the threat the left poses isn't visible enough and that is greatly muted by people's daily routines, comforts, and the ability to focus on our work and life, to double down. To get "not in my backyard!" to respond, the left has to riot in everyones backyard all at once. And the right has to be desperate enough from circumstance to decide necessity is more important than fear.

If a lightswitch says "danger! high voltage!", the only people who are gonna switch it, are 1. the stupid, 2. the desperate.

Thats how I see the state or foreign actors getting their internecine conflict if thats what they're driving toward.

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If I was an evil villain I wouldn't do it that way. It would be a slow burn. Endless covid. Endless printing money (stimulus for me and my friends) add a war where (I make money again) drain the wealth while I replace the population with orcs. Orcs which I can control with gibs, porn, comforts, as I steer every form of media they consume in the direction I want (reading, seeing, hearing etc..) Then I'd use my power to incarcerate or make those who dissent pay.

There will be no catastrophic event.

Meanwhile I'd work on take the guns. The last thing I'd want is for someone to just go Patriot Jihad and open fire on a hoard of Commies, faggot, niggers. It might spark a trend. Patriot Suicides. Where they just open fire then kill themselves because society is so fucked. So Yeah, I'd never let it get that way.

Slow slow slow boiling frog is better.

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Whatever the masses of people do I'm going to do the opposite.

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The only thing that will create a revolution in this country is if the US gets entangled in a losing war and the "government" executes a large national draft.

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is if the US gets entangled in a losing war and the "government" executes a large national draft.

Plausible.

The anti-draft movement I think was closer to a "if we can undermine the war back home" during vietnam, "then the communists in vietnam will win!" sort of move.

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Nothing. We have been conditioned to assume bitching online about everything is just as good as doing something about it. This was our moment for a legal patriotic movement of epic proportions and we lost it.

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This was our moment for a legal patriotic movement of epic proportions and we lost it.

If we had been winning, the state would have made it illegal anyway.

Which is what they basically did. Think about that.

It's just one battle. Nothings over until its over.

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It's over when Washington D.C. becomes the 51st State and nobody does a thing to stop it. Oh. So complaining it's illegal, and D.C. is a State anyways does not count. Enjoy the ride on the train to the new United Socialist States of Amerika. It's here and we are going to do nothing about it. Enjoy what's left on what we know as freedom.

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I think you're either suffering demoralization or here to demoralize. Both of which accomplish nothing.

If this is what gets you down then you need to shake it off, and toughten up right here right now because this is nothing compared to what the state has in the pipe.

Get faith, and steel yourself. There are enough americans aware, to where when the state inevitably pushes too far too fast, or messes up in a way that causes unmitigated pain--there are enough americans to secure a future again for America.

And you need to believe that. Wholeheartedly. Unreservedly. Or else nothing anyone says or does can help you, and nothing you say or do can help others.

Before anticipating a fight, get your head right.

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It seems like there needs to be a single leader with a group of supporters to rally people against the current unelected mafia. No such person exists. Trump would have the best shot at this. Unfortunately, taking out a single person is extremely easy for them to do. It doesn't seem like anybody is going to do anything until there is a financial collapse that could cause any of the three problems you listed.

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It seems like there needs to be a single leader with a group of supporters to rally people against the current unelected mafia. No such person exists.

A single leader is a single point of failure. A weak link.

I think theres a lot of people out there with potential, if they have the good logistics and a sound message and strategy.

The premise is simple: a single leader can be destroyed. Look at matt gaetz. Taken out of the game because he was a distraction to the false front and puppet that Desantis is. That was the essential reason they went after gaetz. He was competition. And mark my words, when 2024 comes, Desantis will have beat out cruz, and win the primary for GOP "presidential candidate". Of course these are all show elections, and the GOP exists to keep the right in line and keep its seat at the table of power run by the DNC, and foreign powers, but we all know that at this point.

A single leader can be destroyed, a movement of many voices, each with their own supporters/following, united with a common message and strategy, is harder to destroy, because the state has to expose itself, make itself obvious, and it risks making martyrs because if it takes out ,1 ,5, even 10 leaders, it draws more attention, not less, to the remaining movement. In mass politics, awareness is what drives recruitment and message spread.

It's why the federal agencies are forced to infiltrate larger movements and attempt to steer/control them. If a movement and its core supporters understand their playbook from the beginning, and incorporate counter-intelligence policies, training, and strict discipline on information control (by the social structure of the movement), then leaks become hard, and poisoning the well becomes difficult, and manufacturing pretexts to shut down the organization becomes opportunities to draw public attention (and ire) against the funding/powers of those agencies.

Internal policy and policing is vastly more important than external public support, because public support (vital to the success of mass political parties) flows from internal unity of action and goals.

The playbook the state uses against that, is sowing organizational paranoia, drama, conflict, doubt, uncertainty about who to trust, etc. The left typically overcomes this by 1. promoting blind hatred of authorities, so any conflicts the state or others do spread, can be redirected, 2. appointing 'charismatic' promoters/rally leaders and using cult indoctrination to create a sort of 'faith' against externally created doubt.

I suspect the way the right could do the same is to follow the christian identity movement explicitly. As for secular methodology, I'm not sure, but I think if poal and the right thinks about it long enough, we'll come up with something to counter disinformation/division tactics/FUD.

It doesn't seem like anybody is going to do anything until there is a financial collapse that could cause any of the three problems you listed.

Its why its so important, that besides ammo, you stock pile food.

Preferably work with a church on a charity. Because the communists use the same tactics for "state charity" programs. They get in, they control who gets favors.

If you have the ability to distribute food in a panic/collapse, you have the ability to direct and call up a vast body of reserve volunteers, such as for militias/security brigades.

What will decide who wins in the next collapse, assuming a foreign adversary provokes one here in the u.s. (or other western nation), is NOT who has the most guns.

Its who has the most food and most organization. You get the second using the first.

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You mean, the last 12 months or so haven't been enough with their corona crap?

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The right is not proactive. The right is reactionary, deep hibernation levels of reactionary.

It's why its about fear vs. deprivation.

Outrages won't motivate them, maybe the incipient left that moved to the middle/right over the last ten years, but even that I doubt.

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