Thanks, yours too. > have no idea unless there was a smoking gun of nsa wiretaps listening to the Clinton's and Obama talking about it? They are *not* on the side of justice and/or freedom. They're on the side of power. Don't look to spooks to save you. Then again, if it happened, I'll happily donate a kidney to any spook in need of one. (not holding my breath) I doubt China will do anything to harm Beijing Biden, except maybe blackmail. >>get debt free and out of urban areas. Preach brother. Although, I'm a big fan of the suburbs. Unless you have a clan worth of family living close to you, you're better off not in the country if SHTF, unless you're SO far out that it's improbable anyone will find you- but that makes living pretty hard when you have to travel 3 hours to the grocery. My neighbors are all great, and I'm lucky enough to live next to an Asian family who is even more race conscious than I am. If SHTF and we had any roaming darkies I'd have a roof Asian to back me up, along with the rest of the good neighbors. Strength in numbers. >>what ever they tell the sheeple 90% believe it II think that's changing. When 9/11 happened I was too young to really understand it, but I remember seeing adults get really angry at anyone who doubted the gob'ment's story. My perception is that fewer people are that credulous... obviously too many are still.