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It would look more like a massive rebellion where the lefties stay home and the cops, judges, journalists and politicians would be lynched.

This is why the establishment worked so hard to get the right on the same side as the cops and 'law and order'. Any move in that direction, would immediately divide the right.

Would the military dare stand against such a rebellion or would they start making arrests of the cabal?

I think your right that if the military was going to make a move, independent of the pentagon of course, they would do it before things got out of hand--if the ranks below general were going to make a move at all. No particular evidence of this, just a gut check. The best time for them to make such a move would be while they still could, while the situation was still manageable, and I think rank and file who are giving the orders, know this.

Any officer ordering troops to fire on Americans would probably get shot by his own men.

This would be a signficant problem. Which is why I think they threw a wet towel on it with the one question survey under obama, and all the replacements they've put in throughout the military: "would you fire on american citizens if ordered to do so?" And the intent here was obvious, to minimize this issue ahead of time. It would still be a problem, but thats also why they're working hard toward general disarmament, putting the left into the military in numbers (hence pushing trannyism, critical race theory training in the military, foreigners in the military, and so on), combine with new broadfield weaponry like drones, both flying, and flightless (which they are using on americans and normalizing).

They would likely assist the patriots in the clean up as a self preservation move.

I agree and disagree. The u.s. is sufficiently politically divided, that I see the military crackin right down the military, 60/40 or 65/35, enough to make us internationally impotent in the event any external or internal threats should arise as our military essentially fights itself. While it wouldn't at all be a clean divide, I think it would mostly be along state lines.

As for china they are n much the same situation. If china attacked the USA their own civilians and troops would revolt against the ccp.

I haven't seen this, I'd like to know why you think this. Obviously the PLA has its own priorities and can operate independent of Xi, but thats not the same as a revolt actually being viable. And more broadly than 'viable' do the citizens and mid-tier leadership see such a revolt as tenable? Does their dissatisfaction outweigh their pragmatic understanding of the threat priority between internal forces and external competitors?

They know they will have massive loses in this case.

China is perfectly willing to accept massive losses. There has never been a time in their history when they weren't, and they've demonstrated this again and again. It would be a mistake to underestimate their capacity to absorb loss, but thats just my opinion.

China will not invade the USA. Xi knows he would be dead real fast.

I actually think you're probably right. China can't afford to suddenly pivot now when the PLA and CCPs core strategy, of slowly infiltrating their opposition, while growing china to economically outmatch everyone else, can and has been working. A real big move right now would throw that all in the trash. The constraint here however is not what china wants to do, but what they must do. Assuming again, that israel (and its greatest ally, our president) is not in bed with china (and manufacturing the pretense for china to make a major move), another Trump presidency would force China's hand. Their system is overstretched logistically. They have too large a middleclass for their current resources and capacity to govern. Basically their economic tempo is wrong if they want stable growth. It's because they've been juicing the numbers for too long and an unhappy demographic balance between the various classes is the end result, and they know this. Witness 300 million chinese nationalists with dead end jobs, and no wives, chomping at the bit for war, war with anyone, anyone at all, namely taiwan. These guys have nothing else, so they have invested their identity into china itself, as a wartime nation and the hope of superpower status. They have, in short, created a sort of manifest destiny in the CCP, in order to keep their unemployed/minimum wage, propertyless, and unmarried class of youngmen, busy with dreams of what could be. This is not a situation thats solved peacefully. Who knows, maybe they go to war with australia or canada or russia "which are mostly unpopulated, vast territories, as if kept unpopulated by heavens mandate, for the day that china may rise as if fortune wanted them to be seized by the more productive." and then millions and millions of chinamen become settlers/colonists. Or maybe china has another outbreak that kills their excess population, or a massive, but regional, famine, or maybe they suddenly have a 'sterility' problem from "environmental agents of unknown kind or origin", or maybe millions of them all become slaves, or colonize antartica, who the fuck knows.

The cabal has been fucked by the sheer scale of the great awakening. Even the Muslims are waking up and abandoning Islam on a massive scale. None of their useful idiots can be relied on now.

I disagree. From what I gather, this 'great awakening' is mostly little more than u.s. state department and israeli fluff to manage online perceptions and narrative spread--a means to manage a vague political intersection of people, mostly at odds with one another, but brought together by common causes of sundry kinds--that the state finds incovenient or potentially politically threatening. The "great awakening" is the u.s./israeli military intelligence complex's attempt to keep us sleeping walking.

Anyway. China could be crippled with one Cruze missile hitting the three gorges dam. A massive Achilles heal that would crash their economy,

Maybe, but somehow I doubt it.

They constructed a massive field hospital, however shitty, and skyscrapers, in weeks. They have to figure out how to feed one point four billion people. Every day. Every single day. It is a mistake to think this would be the end of china or a fatal blow. It would be nasty wound for sure, but I can pretty confidently tell you it wouldn't be fatal, and thats not mere opinion. It would however likely launch a nuclear war.

And thats why no nation has tried it.

destroy all their airforce bases and kill at least 500,000 civilians.

500,000 is nothing. Its literally nothing to the chinese.

China is a paper tiger.

I think they're more like a two ton tin tiger. Just heavy enough that if they fell on someone, they would probably put that person (or nation) out of commission for good, and like tin, just sharp enough to cut someone. "Paper tiger" is an overused phrase anyway, and again, its a mistake to underestimate a nation that manages to control and provide for 1.4 billion people. Obvious hubris that.

Reposting for people to discuss/refute/support or otherwise add on to. > It would look more like a massive rebellion where the lefties stay home and the cops, judges, journalists and politicians would be lynched. This is why the establishment worked so hard to get the right on the same side as the cops and 'law and order'. Any move in that direction, would immediately divide the right. > Would the military dare stand against such a rebellion or would they start making arrests of the cabal? I think your right that if the military was going to make a move, independent of the pentagon of course, they would do it *before* things got out of hand--**if** the ranks below general were going to make a move at all. No particular evidence of this, just a gut check. The best time for them to make such a move would be while they still could, while the situation was still manageable, and I think rank and file who are giving the orders, know this. > Any officer ordering troops to fire on Americans would probably get shot by his own men. This *would* be a signficant problem. Which is why I think they threw a wet towel on it with the one question survey under obama, and all the replacements they've put in *throughout* the military: "would you fire on american citizens if ordered to do so?" And the intent here was obvious, to minimize this issue ahead of time. It would still be a problem, but thats also why they're working hard toward general disarmament, putting the left into the military in numbers (hence pushing trannyism, critical race theory training in the military, foreigners in the military, and so on), combine with new broadfield weaponry like drones, both flying, and flightless (which they are using on americans and normalizing). > They would likely assist the patriots in the clean up as a self preservation move. I agree and disagree. The u.s. is sufficiently politically divided, that I see the military crackin right down the military, 60/40 or 65/35, enough to make us internationally impotent in the event any external or internal threats should arise as our military essentially fights itself. While it wouldn't at all be a clean divide, I think it would mostly be along state lines. > As for china they are n much the same situation. If china attacked the USA their own civilians and troops would revolt against the ccp. I haven't seen this, I'd like to know why you think this. Obviously the PLA has its own priorities and can operate independent of Xi, but thats not the same as a revolt actually being viable. And more broadly than 'viable' do the citizens and mid-tier leadership see such a revolt as *tenable*? Does their dissatisfaction outweigh their pragmatic understanding of the threat priority between internal forces and external competitors? > They know they will have massive loses in this case. China is perfectly willing to accept massive losses. There has never been a time in their history when they weren't, and they've demonstrated this again and again. It would be a mistake to underestimate their capacity to absorb loss, but thats just my opinion. > China will not invade the USA. Xi knows he would be dead real fast. I actually think you're probably right. China can't afford to suddenly pivot now when the PLA and CCPs core strategy, of slowly infiltrating their opposition, while growing china to economically outmatch everyone else, can and has been working. A real big move right now would throw that all in the trash. The constraint here however is not what china *wants* to do, but what they *must* do. Assuming again, that israel (and its greatest ally, our president) is not in bed with china (and manufacturing the pretense for china to make a major move), another Trump presidency would force China's hand. Their system is overstretched logistically. They have too large a middleclass for their current resources and capacity to govern. Basically their economic tempo is wrong if they want *stable* growth. It's because they've been juicing the numbers for too long and an unhappy demographic balance between the various classes is the end result, and they know this. Witness 300 million chinese nationalists with dead end jobs, and no wives, chomping at the bit for war, war with anyone, anyone at all, namely taiwan. These guys have nothing else, so they have invested their identity into china itself, as a wartime nation and the hope of superpower status. They have, in short, created a sort of manifest destiny in the CCP, in order to keep their unemployed/minimum wage, propertyless, and unmarried class of youngmen, busy with dreams of what could be. This is not a situation thats solved peacefully. Who knows, maybe they go to war with australia or canada or russia "which are mostly unpopulated, vast territories, as if kept unpopulated by heavens mandate, for the day that china may rise as if fortune wanted them to be seized by the more productive." and then millions and millions of chinamen become settlers/colonists. Or maybe china has another outbreak that kills their excess population, or a massive, but regional, famine, or maybe they suddenly have a 'sterility' problem from "environmental agents of unknown kind or origin", or maybe millions of them all become slaves, or colonize antartica, who the fuck knows. > The cabal has been fucked by the sheer scale of the great awakening. Even the Muslims are waking up and abandoning Islam on a massive scale. None of their useful idiots can be relied on now. I disagree. From what I gather, this 'great awakening' is mostly little more than u.s. state department and israeli fluff to manage online perceptions and narrative spread--a means to manage a vague political intersection of people, mostly at odds with one another, but brought together by common causes of sundry kinds--that the state finds incovenient or potentially politically threatening. The "great awakening" is the u.s./israeli military intelligence complex's attempt to keep us *sleeping walking*. > Anyway. China could be crippled with one Cruze missile hitting the three gorges dam. A massive Achilles heal that would crash their economy, Maybe, but somehow I doubt it. They constructed a massive field hospital, however shitty, and skyscrapers, in weeks. They have to figure out how to feed one point four *billion* people. Every day. Every single day. It is a mistake to think this would be the end of china or a fatal blow. It would be nasty wound for sure, but I can pretty confidently tell you it wouldn't be fatal, and thats not mere opinion. It would however likely launch a nuclear war. And thats why no nation has tried it. > destroy all their airforce bases and kill at least 500,000 civilians. 500,000 is nothing. Its literally nothing to the chinese. > China is a paper tiger. I think they're more like a two ton *tin* tiger. Just heavy enough that if they fell on someone, they would *probably* put that person (or nation) out of commission for good, and like tin, just sharp enough to cut someone. "Paper tiger" is an overused phrase anyway, and again, its a mistake to underestimate a nation that manages to control and provide for 1.4 billion people. Obvious hubris that.

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