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And it's an attack on our liberties.

If this is allowed to be established, it will become like the TSA, intrusive and destructive of its own ends. They will expand to use it to shut down political organizations, use it to track guys who get together at the shooting range, use it to co-opt and shut down political protests, and a host of other abusive shit.

Let your governors and congressmen know, in no uncertain terms, that if this is not immediately banned then you're voting them out of office. No half measures. No "oh no, looks like theres nothing we can do, so sorry citizens!", or "we have to sign it to see whats in it", and no exception like "muh-attached-to-a-bill-that-MUST-pass-think-of-the-troops/children/importantGroupofTheDay!", and no "abstained" votes.

This is not fucking acceptable.

And it's an attack on our liberties. If this is allowed to be established, it will become like the TSA, intrusive and destructive of its own ends. They will expand to use it to shut down political organizations, use it to track guys who get together at the shooting range, use it to co-opt and shut down political protests, and a host of other abusive shit. Let your governors and congressmen know, in no uncertain terms, that if this is not immediately banned then you're voting them out of office. No half measures. No "oh no, looks like theres nothing we can do, so sorry citizens!", or "we have to sign it to see whats in it", and no exception like "muh-attached-to-a-bill-that-MUST-pass-think-of-the-troops/children/importantGroupofTheDay!", and no "abstained" votes. This is not fucking acceptable.

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[–] [deleted] • 6 pts

Vote huh? Yeah I'm sure that asking them politely to take their boot off your neck will work.

[–] • 3 pts (edited )

I'm sure that asking them politely

Oh I did't say anything about asking or being polite.

Political power is an assertion.

And politicians are cowards.

Put enough pressure on them and they will fold like a house made of playing cards.

Ultimately their power in the current form rests on the illusion of legitimacy afforded by being 'elected'. They still have to obey the idea or illusion of elections to keep this appearance of legitimacy.

Edit: We can throw a monkey wrench into this system and make it expensive to maintain by forcing them to play by their own rules.

[–] • 2 pts

Political power is an assertion.

Physical power is an assertion.

Political power is an delusion.

FTFY

[–] • 0 pt (edited )

Political power is an delusion.

I only disagree to a degree.

Political power is an abstraction. It's only a delusion if it isn't practiced and exercised.

The practice of political power is an assertion, because it is enforced (physical power).

Which is why mao and the communists wrote "power comes from the barrel of a gun."

Always learn from your opponents. They had leaflet campaigns. They had marches. They had boycotts. Campaigns of harassment and social ostricization. The works. If it wasn't a threat governments wouldn't waste resources overreacting to it. For evidence you need only look at the "its okay to be white" campaign. FBI coming out just for a bunch of benign posters? Gee I wonder why.

While I don't harbor the delusion of any of /ourguy/s gaining seats or power, it is also not unheard of. And we shouldn't rely on it either.

But the people in charge, and the people that claim to be in charge are different. The people in charge can't be cowed, but their frontline guys, the politicians? They can. You just haven't seen it yet.

But the fact the government's in the west operate the way they do, is evidence enough that it is true.

You don't know if you don't try friend.