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And it's an attack on our liberties.

If this is allowed to be established, it will become like the TSA, intrusive and destructive of its own ends. They will expand to use it to shut down political organizations, use it to track guys who get together at the shooting range, use it to co-opt and shut down political protests, and a host of other abusive shit.

Let your governors and congressmen know, in no uncertain terms, that if this is not immediately banned then you're voting them out of office. No half measures. No "oh no, looks like theres nothing we can do, so sorry citizens!", or "we have to sign it to see whats in it", and no exception like "muh-attached-to-a-bill-that-MUST-pass-think-of-the-troops/children/importantGroupofTheDay!", and no "abstained" votes.

This is not fucking acceptable.

And it's an attack on our liberties. If this is allowed to be established, it will become like the TSA, intrusive and destructive of its own ends. They will expand to use it to shut down political organizations, use it to track guys who get together at the shooting range, use it to co-opt and shut down political protests, and a host of other abusive shit. Let your governors and congressmen know, in no uncertain terms, that if this is not immediately banned then you're voting them out of office. No half measures. No "oh no, looks like theres nothing we can do, so sorry citizens!", or "we have to sign it to see whats in it", and no exception like "muh-attached-to-a-bill-that-MUST-pass-think-of-the-troops/children/importantGroupofTheDay!", and no "abstained" votes. This is not fucking acceptable.

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Agreed 100%. As soon as the pandemic passes you will start to see news stories about a alleged/attempted terrorist attack that was foiled by Contact Tracing. They will arrest a few people with a bunch of fanfare and claim to have stopped a huge attack and to have saved many lives. They will then disclose their 'powerful new crime fighting tool'.

"When we arrested him he was driving a car bomb loaded with 800lbs of high explosives. We then back traced his contacts and this lead us to the rest of the terrorist cell."

Contact tracing will be institutionalized guilt by association. How do we know this? Because the state has had the technical capability to do contact tracing for a long time. Google/Apple know your precise location for as long as you have had a phone. They know this about everyone else as well... You really think that no one ever built the very simple MapReduce (that's the google tech... don't know what apple call this stuff internally) script that does the very simple search of "Show me a list of other phones that were in this location at the same time." ? And we know for a fact that Google makes data very available and provides direct access to their back end to many law enforcement agencies. They can already do this... the fact that we are seeing the term 'Contact Tracing' in the news means that they are trying to normalize the use of the tech.

This is coming. Root your phone now. Start learning about LineageOS and Replicant

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Any suggestions for rootable phones? Every time I buy a phone (2 or 3 times in my lifetime lol) I get fucked with no support for rooting.

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Check out the Motorola phones. They fully support unlocking/rooting... it does void your manufacture's warranty, but when was the last time you actually called your phone manufacturer for support? I run a rooted Moto G7 now and could not be happier. Costs a fraction of the price of other manufactures and it's specs beat most other phone out there.

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Motorola is owned be Lenovo now, so only get that if you are interested in your data potentially ending up in Beijing's databanks.

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This is coming. Root your phone now. Start learning about LineageOS and Replican

I won't change my behavior for their panopticon. unless for practical purposes.

I refuse to be cowed and you should too.

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If you have a smart phone in your pocket, you have already capitulated. You are already in the Panopticon. You do not need to change your behavior for their Panopticon... you need to change your behavior to GET OUT of their Panopticon.

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Don't misunderstand, this isn't our defeat, this is our victory.

We have been hit by a blitzkreig against our rights, including freedom of association and privacy.

The blitzkreig was thought invincible too, no one could see a way around it, no one could see a weakness.

Do you remember how it was defeated?

The state has exposed its flank by putting its tendrils out everywhere.

Could you imagine how damaging a set of easy to use, open source tools would be? The kind that allow anyone to blast out fake gps, fake contacts for tracing, all day and all night?

If even a fraction of people did this, the signal to noise ratio would be worthless, not because they couldn't use it, but because it would immediately raise the legal question of reliability.

"All of this data is in question because we cannot in practice, prove our data is accurate."

It would undermine the legitimacy of the tracing program itself.

What if we all traced back to sam hyde for example?

Finally, as the state's overreach expands, we need only expose it. The greater the overreach the more they will attempt to normalize it, which is a possibility. But so too is the opportunity for outrage as the number of people impacted by it grows. Thats the flank left open by the blitzkreig. Push on it, using the very people they're intruding on, and they'll have no where to go, no retreat, but deeper into the shit. They'll double down (because they always do when pushed) long before they're ready and cause a backlash they were hoping to avoid by incrementalism.

Hence, acceleration*sm.

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Vote huh? Yeah I'm sure that asking them politely to take their boot off your neck will work.

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I'm sure that asking them politely

Oh I did't say anything about asking or being polite.

Political power is an assertion.

And politicians are cowards.

Put enough pressure on them and they will fold like a house made of playing cards.

Ultimately their power in the current form rests on the illusion of legitimacy afforded by being 'elected'. They still have to obey the idea or illusion of elections to keep this appearance of legitimacy.

Edit: We can throw a monkey wrench into this system and make it expensive to maintain by forcing them to play by their own rules.

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Political power is an assertion.

Physical power is an assertion.

Political power is an delusion.

FTFY

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Political power is an delusion.

I only disagree to a degree.

Political power is an abstraction. It's only a delusion if it isn't practiced and exercised.

The practice of political power is an assertion, because it is enforced (physical power).

Which is why mao and the communists wrote "power comes from the barrel of a gun."

Always learn from your opponents. They had leaflet campaigns. They had marches. They had boycotts. Campaigns of harassment and social ostricization. The works. If it wasn't a threat governments wouldn't waste resources overreacting to it. For evidence you need only look at the "its okay to be white" campaign. FBI coming out just for a bunch of benign posters? Gee I wonder why.

While I don't harbor the delusion of any of /ourguy/s gaining seats or power, it is also not unheard of. And we shouldn't rely on it either.

But the people in charge, and the people that claim to be in charge are different. The people in charge can't be cowed, but their frontline guys, the politicians? They can. You just haven't seen it yet.

But the fact the government's in the west operate the way they do, is evidence enough that it is true.

You don't know if you don't try friend.

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Contract tracing is a helpful epidemiological tool for understanding the threat posed by diseases.
In this case, that helpful tool will be used by authoritarians to further trample the liberties of the people.

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Well said.

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As technology advances, liberty retreats.

Freedom exists on the frontier between the unknown and the civilization.

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Nice turn of phrase. I like it!

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Why thanks but someone else wrote it. I just stole it.

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thinking you can threaten despots with votes

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thinking you can threaten despots with votes

thinking the despots can operate effectively without the illusion of legitimacy.

It's not about taking away their power. No amount of voting can do that. It's about taking away their reason for claiming to have it/exercise it.

The point is to rob them of their legitimacy and force their hand. Why recruit people for anything when you can get your enemies to do that for you?

What do you think "acceleration*sm" is about?

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Anyone telling you "don't vote!" wants you to fail. Don't listen to them.

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I just happened to see a video about this today, it seems creepy as hell. They were trying to imply that a digital footprint is good because it helps to find missing people. They were talking about this at a convention where they show people how to hack stuff, such as cars, or voting machines. They specifically mentioned voting machines. It was all given a very high budget gloss and passed off as normal and not alarming at all....

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It also only makes sense when it's not already common. Those kinds of measures would be for containing it. It's not contained. It's out, and there is nothing you can do about it but let it do its thing.. which it turns out isn't the end of the world.

Just accept Corona Chan into your life already. I have. She must have visited me some nights ago, as she does, and made love to me in my sleep. But the good news is in a few weeks I'll be over her, while everyone else is still obsessing over her for the next couple months.

Like if you crash your economy for her, that's the ultimate form of simp. She's not worth it. I've had her, I would know.