>Of course there's truth in saying that "deep state" exists, but the way it's presented by Q-ists is just a challenge to accept whatever nonsense everyone tacks in. Like the "Paul McCourtney is dead" rumour in the 70s. The absurdity is what allowed it to grow so fast. I never wanted to believe it is true, but people really are easily sucked into things, the more absurd or sketchy the more effective. Thats why my username is "GetCynical." Unfortunately for a long time the only people using these techniques have been 'blackhats', hucksters, and scoundrels. The trained reflex is ridicule. "Pfff! You're movement is small and will fail!" but thats just myopia. In fact, time and again, what seems to be true, even though even *I* don't want to believe it, is that mass delusion, pied pipers, and bad faith are all effective means to an end. Our gut says no because all you see online about movements like that is, is the same social media posts about how such movements will "fail, are paranoid, deluded, and a tiny tiny minority", both from actual people and probably a handful of state actors. I only write 'state actors' because they themselves know the effectiveness of such movements, probably build some themselves, and have an incentive to project the failure of those movements which they don't own in whole or part. It's what I would do if I were in their shoes. It's a formality. Like gravity, power, to remain legitimate, must clear its "orbit" of all other contenders and 'pretenders' to the throne as it were. There is no morality to it. Power simply is, and follows it's own nature and own internal logic, but thats a discussion for another time. I don't like to believe people are gullible, but they are. Not as gullible as you might believe, and they're a fair bit faster to catch on than political and financial scoundrels give them credit for. But there is a sizeable contingent of people in society, at any given time, who will believe *anything* if told in the right way, with the right words, what they want or need to hear at the right time. The aim of many controlled movements is varied, but theres always a plan to "unwind" it when it has passed its "expiration date" (usefulness), or otherwise jumps the tracks (the founders lose control). I would not be surprised if this were the case with Q as well. The great thing about this though it shows us something about reality: It taught me, beyond my nieve idealism, that people really can be organized, even lead by the nose when *necessary*, and that there are things that are possible that didn't appear possible before. That failure for going against the grain is not *inevitable*, and that any organizations or narratives that oppose the state mantra aren't simply 'crazy', or 'fated to fail', or be rejected/ostracized by a society obsessed with tv multimedia and controlled opposition. Most of all it taught me, just as there is at all times a great many people instantly mislead, there is equally a great many people at all times instantly convinced of the truth, or willing to listen to it *no matter how damned, rejected, persecuted or outlawed that truth is*. And that, while these groups don't always overlap, we can use one to spread the message to the other. I only offer hope because there is hope--despite the people in charge trying desperately to convince us all that there is no such thing, that they are in complete control, even of their opposition, at all times. Nothing could be further from the truth.