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Here are my criticisms of the alt-right:

  1. Like the rest of modern culture, . And as I would expect from a modern sub, I was from /r/DebateAltRight. What else would one expect from a segment of .

  2. Like the rest of modern culture, the alt-right insists on imposing its views on everyone. The alt-right are white nationalists. I have no problem with the concept of white nationalisms, everyone should be free to organize themselves into groups however they want. The problem with the alt-right is that they refuse to recognize groups that don't organize themselves by race. For example identifies as a Christian, so this should be his primary identity. The fact that he is racially white does not make him part of white nationalism. Similarly also identifies as a Christian, so this should be his primary identity. The fact that he is racially jewish does not make him part of Judaism. So he is not a "Jew", he is only racially jewish. The alt-right can't understand this, not because they are racist, but rather because they are modern scum incapable of respecting other beliefs.

  3. Like the rest of modern culture, the alt-right doesn't respect religion and morality. They are degenerates and their women are sluts.

All members of modern western culture, from the alt-right to the globalist left, are vile human scum. There is no significant difference between the alt-right and the rest of depraved modern culture.

What should sane white nationalist do? First, reject modern western culture including the alt-right. Then look for a sound alternative. I would suggest that a "White Muslim" movement may be promising, but there are many options.

Here are my criticisms of the alt-right: 1. Like the rest of modern culture, [the alt-right hates free speech](https://old.reddit.com/r/nonmorons/comments/dmt7ms/the_altright_hates_free_speech/). And as I would expect from a modern sub, I was [banned](https://old.reddit.com/r/nonmorons/comments/97x6a1/banned_from_rdebatealtright/) from /r/DebateAltRight. What else would one expect from a segment of [modern culture](https://old.reddit.com/r/nonmorons/comments/bvoesf/why_modern_culture_hates_free_speech/). 2. Like the rest of modern culture, the alt-right insists on imposing its views on everyone. The alt-right are white nationalists. I have no problem with the concept of white nationalisms, everyone should be free to organize themselves into groups however they want. The problem with the alt-right is that they refuse to recognize groups that don't organize themselves by race. For example [E. Michael Jones](https://www.bitchute.com/channel/emichaeljones/) identifies as a Christian, so this should be his primary identity. The fact that he is racially white does not make him part of white nationalism. Similarly [Brother Nathanael](https://www.bitchute.com/channel/brothernathanael/) also identifies as a Christian, so this should be his primary identity. The fact that he is racially jewish does not make him part of Judaism. So he is not a "Jew", he is only racially jewish. The alt-right can't understand this, not because they are racist, but rather because they are modern scum incapable of respecting other beliefs. 3. Like the rest of modern culture, the alt-right doesn't respect religion and morality. They are degenerates and their women are sluts. All members of modern western culture, from the alt-right to the globalist left, are vile human scum. There is no significant difference between the alt-right and the rest of depraved modern culture. What should sane white nationalist do? First, reject modern western culture including the alt-right. Then look for a sound alternative. I would suggest that a "White Muslim" movement may be promising, but there are many options.

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You were on reddit... just saying there is no altright on reddit regardless of what you think of them. Pretty sure you argued w/ controlled opposition made up of people that want to inflate the ebil nazi and kkk problem. Most conservatives give no shit about either. A few years ago the splc declared there were less than 3,000ish kkk members in the US. Can you do math? There's 300 million plus here in this country. The alt right is a propaganda scheme at best conceived by liberal media and edgelord 4channers. It's probably like another 3000 dudes arguing in basements. Ever notice how all the Charlottesville pics of "nazis" used by the media were like the same 7 people?

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Well, let's see what happens here. I am always interested in finding reasonable people.

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Yeah welcome man, we've got a couple disgruntled alt-right lads that glow in the dark. They're easy to spot when they call for violence. They'll check most boxes but are humorously suspicious other times.

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I am always interested in finding reasonable people.

https://poal.co/s/Preservation/135514/ad2c71d7-3444-4cb6-909f-11e09de20cd8

According to OP, endless news about muslims killing/raping Christians are anecdotes.

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There is no significant difference between the alt-right and the rest of depraved modern culture.

Degeneracy comes from Jewish owned corporations, industries (movie, music, art...) which Cohencidentally happens to be flourishing in alt-left democrats/liberals failed states (e.g Commiefornia).

I would suggest that a "White Muslim" movement may be promising, but there are many options.

lol

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Degeneracy comes from Jewish owned corporations, industries

That is one source. But at this point it doesn't matter what the cause was, modern culture is a basket case.

If you don't like Islam, feel free to pick another option. Just don't defend modern culture, including the alt-right.

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Just don't defend modern culture, including the alt-right.

Modern cultures without Jews and Muslims are doing fine.

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Modern cultures without Jews and Muslims are doing fine.

Example?

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But at this point it doesn't matter what the cause was, modern culture is a basket case.

It doesn't matter for you, and maybe you're lost

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The so called alt-right is mostly a label used by media pundits, to begin with

I haven't seen anyone here claiming to be "alt right", as a matter of fact there isn't even an alt right sub https://poal.co/s/alt-right https://poal.co/s/altright https://poal.co/s/debatealtright

It's a media fad, as far as I'm concerned, and on that point I believe we probably agree

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That being said, islam is in no position to give any moral lesson to anyone, punk ass degenerates included

Why, you might ask?

Because this https://pic8.co/sh/kI4jO6.jpg

It's all fun and games with islam and muslims, until one wants to leave...

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It's all fun and games with islam and muslims, until one wants to leave...

I discussed this with the most knowledgable Muslim in my mosque. This is simply wrong. One can leave Islam, one just can't publicize leaving Islam within a country governed by Islam. Those Muslims punishing apostates are just ignorant idiots.

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That's a lot of ignorant idiots then

I agree.

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The alt-right is fake and gay and I'm glad to see others here on poal say the same. The term did not exist until it was uttered by Hillary during one of her speeches. Then it magically grew into a label the media hurled at anyone that had any view different than what the MSM was pumping out. If you pay attention to who gets labeled that, and who labels themselves as, you'll see some interesting patterns.

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My 5c: You are practicing 'self-taqiyya' because of identity dysphoria caused by recognizing western civilization as the pinnacle, but detesting it at the same time because it excludes you. You seem to be dressing your anti-white feefees up as disrespect of the alt-right. Maybe take a break from the Mosque for a while and meet some nice people for a beer and bacon sandwich.

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I am not anti-white. I don't care about race. And my mosque has white converts.

I was gladly part of western civilization until it degenerated into intolerable depravity (around 2000). Then I rejected this degenerate western civilization on my own.

Anyway, I like conservative Mennonites too and I thinking of moving closer to them so that I can have 2 decent communities.

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You're lost my friend, islam is arab supremacism and the quran is a statist creation

You're basically turning your back on your heritage, a giant fuck you to your ancestors. Worse, you joined the cult of those who (among other things such as trying to conquer europe for centuries) occupied spain, and happily traded in white christian slaves with the complicity of jews

And that's a fact

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criticisms

OH BOY. OPINIONS. ON THE INTERNET.

It's more likely than you'd like.

banned from /r/

Ahhh. There's yer problem.

What else would one expect from

Reddit? Nothing.

What should sane white nationalist do?

I'm probably too yellow to answer that question. So, I'm going to rephrase it in a more general sense. Determining the reasons for this action are to be left as an exercise for the reader.

What should sane nationalist do?

This sounds like one of those questions that requires a submission of deep wisdom, that will reveal to the reader the true and right path to take; show them the whey, as it were. No that's not a typo.

I'm all out of wisdoms at the moment, as I used my last one to buy a bottle of vodka earlier. Instead, I will give you a quotation from somewhere - I think it might be song lyrics: "Pick up the gun and learn how to fight, all through the day and all through the night, 'till come the day when the last fight's won."

So... use bullets.

Definitely bullets.

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I think it might be better to look to the West's past for ideas on how to best organize civilization. Not because I want to get back to some mythical golden age, but because I think we should cut ourselves off from the wisdom of the past.

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I did this. Islam today is very similar to medieval Christianity, so it has a reasonable chance for a reformation and can then produce a sound culture like the West did. But the West today resembles decaying Rome and is culturally hopeless.

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Islam today is very similar to medieval Christianity, so it has a reasonable chance for a reformation and can then produce a sound culture like the West did.

I hope so, though I'm more pessimistic about their chances.

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Like the rest of modern culture, the alt-right hates free speech.

Probably true, especially if people are following Richard Spencer. Though do Muslims like free speech? They never struck me as the type. Perhaps the really educated ones are, but on average they don't. In fact, they seem more hostile to it than your average Westerner.

Like the rest of modern culture, the alt-right insists on imposing its views on everyone.

Well, if you want to change the course of society rather than break off from it, that's to be expected.

The problem with the alt-right is that they refuse to recognize groups that don't organize themselves by race.

As someone into human biodiversity (check out ), I think most people take race a little too seriously. I'd rather be around someone reasonable and pro-social of any race than any violent idiot. Of course the amount of each in each group isn't the same, but good people come in all kinds.

the alt-right doesn't respect religion and morality.

Some of them are atheists, some are pagans, and some are Christians. Some are quite moralistic while others are hedonistic. You seem to have generalized based on some individuals. I'm guessing you're thinking mainly of Richard Spencer.

There is no significant difference between the alt-right and the rest of depraved modern culture.

Is that horseshoe logic I see? Look, hon, I'm no fan of the alt-right or the left, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize that they have actual differences.

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Though do Muslims like free speech? They never struck me as the type. Perhaps the really educated ones are, but on average they don't.

This is correct. I talk to the educated ones, so I don't care about the rest. And Islam at least has a basis for free speech while modern culture doesn't (since it lost Christianity).

Some of them [alt-right] are atheists, some are pagans, and some are Christians. Some are quite moralistic while others are hedonistic.

I haven't seen any examples that take religion or morality really seriously.

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I talk to the educated ones, so I don't care about the rest.

That's a pretty narrow sample to be basing your views on. If you're hoping for a revival in Islamic civilization, you do have to try and engage the masses to some degree.

And Islam at least has a basis for free speech while modern culture doesn't (since it lost Christianity).

Considering the harshness towards women, the lack of analyzing the Koran like you would any other text, and how Muslims aren't fond of differing views, that basis seems small. If anything, a revival of Christianity would be a better solution simply because it would be easier.

I haven't seen any examples that take religion or morality really seriously.

There are certainly pagan and Christian alt-righters. Considering fewer and fewer are identifying with the term it's hard to recall examples, but I remember there being plenty of debate between pagans and Christians. Alt-righters are also quite concerned with morals. They do talk about needing to fight degeneracy. I may not always agree with their quests for purity, but I'd say crusading against porn is quite moralistic.

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That's a pretty narrow sample to be basing your views on. If you're hoping for a revival in Islamic civilization, you do have to try and engage the masses to some degree.

Here is .

Considering the harshness towards women, the lack of analyzing the Koran like you would any other text, and how Muslims aren't fond of differing views, that basis seems small. If anything, a revival of Christianity would be a better solution simply because it would be easier.

Your criticism of Islam could just as well apply to medieval Catholicism. But because Christianity had a reasonable scripture and maintained some morals, it could be reformed and produce a civilization. In contrast, modern Christianity resembles every decaying terminally ill culture in history. It cannot be revived.

There are certainly pagan and Christian alt-righters.

The only sane public figure that I know of on the right is Varg. The rest seem degenerate to me.