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I am aware. All media, regardless of origin, are propaganda, in my opinion. However, easy enough to fact check whether the Berkeley PD did or did not arrest and publish the data.

So, I'm not sure what to infer from your response.

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First let me say I agree that all media must be scrutinized and verified as much as possible. Since information has been distributed from the dawn of man, it has been used at times to influence as much, if not more, than just transferring facts.

Now as to my comment. It had nothing to do with the subject of the article, but the source. The discussion of US media is well known, and facts and rumours about them persist. I was bringing to the forebear information about RT as it may not be as well known who and what they are. I believe the old adage "Consider the source" is important. Many people, including myself, have gotten to the point where the source of any info is discarded due to past examples of outright deceit. That's intellectually lazy, but understandable.

But let's not forget that, intended or not, effective propaganda doesn't have easily disputable "facts" as their focus, but rely on inferred credibility. It involves taking a documentable occurrence and presenting it with an opinion, or spin, advantageous for the originators purposes. In the case of RT, their interests are foremost those of the Russian Govt. As I indicated, effective propaganda won't always openly and easily present info that can be disputed. In fact it's my belief a good propagandist will publish info that is totally accurate at times to develop trust in an audience so further articles are taken at face value.

To conclude, I wasn't attacking you or stating that, at least, some of the facts in the article were false, or what the intent of publishing it was. My only intent was to present information on the source of that info. It's up to all of us to use whatever data is presented and form our own opinions.

Of course, I never felt as if it were an attack on me, I have thicker skin than that, fortunately. Thank you for your well thought out reply. And I would agree, consider the source, as I always do. I generally do not, however, discredit something merely for the source, although that is one filter which is wise to apply. I may be naive when it comes to communicating online as I am an older Poaler and do not often engage, but it does seem as if this site, while in its infancy and growing (thank you and ), has a user base that is thoughtful and intelligent and makes up their own minds regarding all kinds of matters, including sourcing a subject matter. I may have made the assumption that most here are familiar with RT, and hence your reply confused me. But we all know what happens when we assume, lol.

Again, thanks for the clarification, and I'll have to be sure to visit s/PaddysPub!

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I am loving watching this discussion unfold, and to state the obvious because I actually understood that reference, when you assume you make an ass - our of - u - and - me in other words assume. I do get it every once in a while.

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Thank you for your reply. I am in the same vein as you:

I am an older Poaler and do not often engage

It seems a majority of the time people online don't want to discuss, just argue. I have little appetite for that.

If you enjoy Paddys and the older genre of music I post there, you might also enjoy https://musicfor.us/ as it's a site I write for that details some of the early days of rock and its evolution. We post one song a day at 3:30 pm ct. The "About This Project" tab has an explanation of why we put the site together. Please feel free to discuss and add any content you wish.

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Can you post links to articles published by RT that you consider obvious propaganda?