To your edits: I am to blame. I don't post or engage often. I'm the slow kid.
The wonderful world in your head is almost as strange and magical as the one in mine.
Voting is indeed a right. Without that right we are left with the "Devine Right Of Kings" and the like. The right to vote, like all other rights, are not granted by the government but should be protected by it. To vote for representation is a needful thing in a large population. No democracy, fuck that. That's just mob rule. But I think that well managed representative republicanism might have a chance. The same way that capitalism might have a chance if we could get the crony-ism out of either of them.
I think I get where your coming from though. You want a test. I want a test. Yours is land ownership. Now that you've made me thing of it... I want basic cognizance. Not some psychyo-schistoso shit. Just the basics: identify a man, identify a woman, are there any other choices, can one become the other, is there any use in joining same to same. That's all. A wrong answer shuts it down.
You may say that "A wrong answer" is open to interpretation and may not turn out the way I think. I would say the same thing to land ownership. Just look at where we are. The answer is the same either way. When the time comes it will get very uncomfortable for people on the unpopular side of the scale.
Voting is NOT a right. Get out of the United States if you think it is, i it isn't.
No democracy...
Okay then voting isn't a right. A right is something which is not discernible among differences in people. If X group has this citizen ability but Y group does not, it's not a right. Then it's a privilege. The reason being is obvious as fuck but... I dunno man, go back to school: voting isn't a right. The moment you treat voting as a right it starts morphing into a (((right))) by way of subverting the definition of those who are allowed such right. The moment you restrict the "right" you've already admitted that it's not a right (White, Male, property owner). You can see this now and for the last century with the 2nd (and to a lesser extent but more rapidly apparent the 1st) in how it's slowly restricted more, and more, and more. While the 2nd is a God-given right, it isn't seen as such by the jews in power and it's not treated as such. The second amendment ceased being a right (in effect, not actuality) 1939 with Miller V US.
I follow you. I try to base my political thinking in Natural Law Theory; what I can do takes nothing away from others. My owning a gun has no impact on your owning or not owning a gun. My speaking, believing, or associating has no impact upon your speaking, believing, or associating. Voting is a construct of government and is therefore not a right but a privilege that should be reserved to citizens as defined in my original thought. Where I was falling short was in the discrimination. You say White land owners. I wonder about situations like my own. I own my house, not the land it's built on. My sister and brother-in-law live with me because we like each other and the easing of living expense. He's reasonably educated and thinks for himself. We don't always agree but, as you and I have here, we can articulate our differences and appreciate the others point of view even if neither of us is swayed. Who votes?
Your argument is that I vote because I own the house. I have trouble with that because he's a rational individual with a mind of his own. He may be swayed by input from my sister but so might I be by a wife (we're none of us perfect). It seems to me that there should be some way of sorting out what a "household" is when selecting an elector that might probe deeper than a residential address.
That last sentence is retarded. You can't probe deeper without granting intrusive powers to either the state or federal government. I'm just not sure how else to look at it.
Voting is a construct of government and is therefore not a right but a privilege that should be reserved to citizens as defined in my original thought.
Make up your fucking mind. You just said "Voting is indeed a right. Without that right..." Now you agree and say it's not a right but a privilege?
Where I was falling short was in the discrimination. You say White land owners. I wonder about situations like my own. I own my house, not the land it's built on.
So you aren't a property owner but are in some weird agreement from which you need to resolve a parcel of property as yours in whichever method they're agreeable to.
My sister and brother-in-law live with me because we like each other and the easing of living expense.
So they own the property, you own a building on it - the residence - there's still a deed and depending on how you've said it up there could be or are two deeds and a type of lease contract. (I'm not familiar with property law so that's as far as I can go) The person with whom the lease is named is the property owner. Done. Your situation is invalid for the theoretical which has been presented. We're working in a world where things are far past bting "fixed" and damage is now being repaired. Corner cases, extreme, will abound in all things and they must not be taken into account as that creates many gray areas of potential abuse by those with ulterior motives.
Your argument is that I vote because I own the house.
No. I've said "house" a single time many comments ago with reference to predditors outward and vocal frustrations but I made sure to clarify that it was "" so as to differentiate between (((HOA))) type planned housing groups etc.
He may be swayed by input from my sister but so might I be by a wife (we're none of us perfect).
Eh good... ish. That's the intent of the male voting and the wife being subservient to the man but who still has a marital dialogue with.
It seems to me that there should be some way of sorting out what a "household" is when selecting an elector that might probe deeper than a residential address.
Why? We are in a theoretical reality presented by you in which the entirety of Federal law and the constitution itself is upended. In such a circumstance one can only base their dialogue from social, familial, cultural etc. are all also upended. With the nature of the context being one of "fix" and "positive" it also must be assume that the additional contexts (prior listed) are also moving in a similar direction. Under such viewings it can only be further assumed that these corner case, lesser situations you outline are not only ignorable, but fixed so as they just don't happen. When they do, if they do then these cases are populated by individuals who understand that their situations don't dicated and shouldn't dictate the whole.
White Property-owning Male
That last sentence is retarded. You can't probe deeper without granting intrusive powers to either the state or federal government. I'm just not sure how else to look at it.
While the 2nd is a God-given right, it isn't seen as such by the jews in power and it's not treated as such. The second amendment ceased being a right (in effect, not actuality) 1939 with Miller V US.
??? How? I never asserted that probing deeper was either necessary or good. I don't understand what's retarded about a statement of fact. US V Miller happened in 1939 (fact) was the first 2nd amendment case ever (fact) and was an infringement on the 2nd (fact).
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