Why not create your own online forum site and invite us ... then we'll see how amazing your revelations are. It's easy to criticize when you have no skin in the game.
Why not create your own online forum site and invite us ... then we'll see how amazing your revelations are. It's easy to criticize when you have no skin in the game.
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Wow. Alright.
So, I think Javascript is way, way overused. It doesn't belong on many sites. has basically none of it. I think there's just the one page where you can buy my book for Bitcoin SV using Money Button, and I warn about offsite JS there.
It's true that Javascript is a pretty complicated thing. Lots of vulnerabilities that come with it and lots of easy fingerprinting. There are even battery APIs that show how much capacity your battery has, that can help fingerprint you.
All of that said...
- Your browser still has tons of vulnerabilities even without Javascript.
- You're still extremely fingerprintable, even without Javascript.
- You should sandbox your browser and keep it far and away from your private files. I've been doing this for years. It's probably the most vulnerable bit of code you run (mainly due to its complexity).
If you don't want to be tracked, use Whonix, Vagabond Workstation, TAILs or even Tor Browser at an absolute minimum.
And yes, you can make a site "like Poal" without JS. I'll show you one. . It's on a Tor Hidden Service, so you'll need to use Tor to connect to it.
It works, but it's a PITA. Every vote has to reload the page because it's a form submission. Every comment has to reload the page. It works, but it makes for a suckier website experience. And I think they do a really good job making it as good as they possibly can, being JS free. Even as probably the best successful example of a Poal-like site, it's still a notably inferior user experience.
I think, with fairly few exceptions, almost every page should be readable without Javascript. But there's so much you can do with it that really makes the client side more usable and can lower server load. A lot nicer using JSON calls back and forth rather than the goofy HTTP POST forms.
There's also lots of cases where for privacy reasons you want the client doing the work and not the server.
Here's a few things I've made that all need Javascript for a good reason: , ,
I don't want to make a HTTP post form endpoint for SporeStack when I already have a working JSON endpoint. I like being able to give the user errors (like if they give me a bad SSH key) without sending them to a whole other page or having the whole page reload. I could make it work without JS, but it would be a real pain in the ass. Bitsqus is basically a demo for comments on blockchain that uses existing blockchain APIs to handle comments. No way it would work without JS.
And Double Mixer is a client side service where the browser will request a mix from two different mixers and pipeline them together. If I did it as you describe, I would see the user's mixes and defeat the whole purpose.
So yes, Javascript is overused. Especially offsite Javascript. It kills me how many trackers, etc, there are. Web development can be way cleaner than it is. But Poal's requirement of JS is not the biggest deal. Your browser is insecure anyways, just sandbox it if you are paranoid like me. Don't go whining about how the world doesn't conform to your rather inexperienced opinion. I'm sure you made some "My first web application" that looks like it's from 1995 and needs no Javascript. I do explicitly try to not use Javascript if at all reasonable, but for tons of things, it's essential.
Wow. Alright.
So, I think Javascript is way, way overused. It doesn't belong on many sites. [My blog](https://go-beyond.org) has basically none of it. I think there's just the one page where you can buy my book for Bitcoin SV using Money Button, and I warn about offsite JS there.
It's true that Javascript is a pretty complicated thing. Lots of vulnerabilities that come with it and lots of easy fingerprinting. There are even battery APIs that show how much capacity your battery has, that can help fingerprint you.
All of that said...
* Your browser still has tons of vulnerabilities even without Javascript.
* You're still extremely fingerprintable, even without Javascript.
* You should sandbox your browser and keep it far and away from your private files. I've been doing this for years. It's probably the most vulnerable bit of code you run (mainly due to its complexity).
If you don't want to be tracked, use Whonix, Vagabond Workstation, TAILs or even Tor Browser at an absolute minimum.
And yes, you can make a site "like Poal" without JS. I'll show you one. [Dread](http://dreadditevelidot.onion/). It's on a Tor Hidden Service, so you'll need to use Tor to connect to it.
It works, but it's a PITA. Every vote has to reload the page because it's a form submission. Every comment has to reload the page. It works, but it makes for a suckier website experience. And I think they do a really good job making it as good as they possibly can, being JS free. Even as probably the best successful example of a Poal-like site, it's still a notably inferior user experience.
I think, with fairly few exceptions, almost every page should be readable without Javascript. But there's so much you can do with it that really makes the client side more usable and can lower server load. A lot nicer using JSON calls back and forth rather than the goofy HTTP POST forms.
There's also lots of cases where for privacy reasons you want the client doing the work and not the server.
Here's a few things I've made that all need Javascript for a good reason: [SporeStack web client](https://sporestack.com), [Bitsqus](https://bitsqus.github.io), [Double Mixer](https://doublemixer.github.io)
I don't want to make a HTTP post form endpoint for SporeStack when I already have a working JSON endpoint. I like being able to give the user errors (like if they give me a bad SSH key) without sending them to a whole other page or having the whole page reload. I *could* make it work without JS, but it would be a real pain in the ass. Bitsqus is basically a demo for comments on blockchain that uses existing blockchain APIs to handle comments. No way it would work without JS.
And Double Mixer is a client side service where the browser will request a mix from two different mixers and pipeline them together. If I did it as you describe, I would see the user's mixes and defeat the whole purpose.
So yes, Javascript is overused. Especially offsite Javascript. It kills me how many trackers, etc, there are. Web development can be way cleaner than it is. But Poal's requirement of JS is not the biggest deal. Your browser is insecure anyways, just sandbox it if you are paranoid like me. Don't go whining about how the world doesn't conform to your rather inexperienced opinion. I'm sure you made some "My first web application" that looks like it's from 1995 and needs no Javascript. I do explicitly try to not use Javascript if at all reasonable, but for tons of things, it's essential.
Security risk sites, like poat poal, are an inferior user experience.
Security risk sites, like ~~poat~~ poal, are an inferior user experience.
The best place to discuss poal's failings in on poal.
The best place to discuss poal's failings in on poal.
False. You could not vote on anything without javascript.
Oddly enough the fact that when you comment it takes you to your own comment is likely an artifact of using form submissions in an attempt to make the site slightly functional without javascript.
Poal also delivers the content rendered so they aren't saving any money on CPU. And if they had they would just be decreasing the time that a single request is served thus making the server more available to other users. It's not necessarily about cheapness when someone does do content rendering on the front end (which poal doesn't).
False. You could not vote on anything without javascript.
Oddly enough the fact that when you comment it takes you to your own comment is likely an artifact of using form submissions in an attempt to make the site slightly functional without javascript.
Poal also delivers the content rendered so they aren't saving any money on CPU. And if they had they would just be decreasing the time that a single request is served thus making the server more available to other users. It's not necessarily about cheapness when someone does do content rendering on the front end (which poal doesn't).
That's true, be he's not technologically literate enough to understand it.
Poal's server does the python to html rendering before serving the pages. JS is mainly used for buttons and to submit forms.
I tried to (it's not the first time he's been reeeeing about it).
He still mad.
That's true, be he's not technologically literate enough to understand it.
Poal's server does the python to html rendering before serving the pages. JS is mainly used for buttons and to submit forms.
I tried to [explain him 12 days ago](https://poal.co/s/Poaldev/89047/5af177cd-0255-4794-8d8f-6552effd4def) (it's not the first time he's been reeeeing about it).
He still mad.
I guess it would be possible to turn all buttons into target="_blank" links, but every time you upvote a new tab would open. The other option is every time you upvote you are navigated away from the page.
I guess it would be possible to turn all buttons into target="_blank" links, but every time you upvote a new tab would open. The other option is every time you upvote you are navigated away from the page.
We (you and I) know that. It's not viable on a larger scale.
We (you and I) know that. It's not viable on a larger scale.
Failed Fake News Already posted 12 days ago, Shlomo.
https://poal.co/s/Poaldev/85867
Try again in another 12 days.
Failed Fake News Already posted 12 days ago, Shlomo.
https://poal.co/s/Poaldev/85867
Try again in another 12 days.
Psst.... hey!
Your Google-searched, read a blog post once, never actually maintained a site more complex then those from the 90s, concernfag, surface level experience is showing.
Psst.... hey!
Your Google-searched, read a blog post once, never actually maintained a site more complex then those from the 90s, concernfag, surface level experience is showing.
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