What? the universe is governed by cause an effect, not one person, but many things, people, and events, working together, being moved by the past and towards the future. Look up "LaPlace's Demon" for a good thought experiment example of what I'm talking about. Heraclitus was correct.
and WHO started that? and WHO manipulates that to HIS liking? and WE cannot? EVERTHING you (or anyone) do, an INFINITE universe REACTS, and USUALLY imperceptible in both SCOPE and effect. So what's your point? NONE of what you said negates the existence of an ARCHITECT, CREATOR, controller. Just automated systems. ANY genius would do that so as NOT to be STUCK (prison) of MANAGING and ADMINISTERING or "riding herd" on EVERY little detail. LOT's of humans come up with PLAUSIBLE explanations. Thing is, what we HAVE (relevant to just us) is a PERFECT machine for GRADING good vs evil on EVERYTHING. Truth = good = pass, LIES = evil = fail. If existence IS eternal (it MOST definately IS (in one form or another)), I have NO Interest in existing with (life on Earth currently) with EVIL in "our" midst. Religion is "our" ONE chance at salvation. Otherwise EVIL WILL WIN OUT (always does). CHOOSE. I think THAT is the POINT of mortal existence.
Why do you Christians always talk like children on these sites? I swear on my mother's grave, we have lost the ability to have arguments and discussions. I propose that before we discuss anything, we go back to the old Greek rules of formal debate and argumentation.
Exactly HOW am I talking like a children there cupcake? Post a RELEVANT (and support your ideas) reply. OTHERWISE you're just like a petulant child spouting off.
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