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There is a very large fallacy with what you and your link are trying to say. The Semitic language was adopted by Jews but it wasn't created by Jews and therefore any Semitic or Phoenician reference around the world isn't a reference to the Jews. You need to understand the Rigveda to know that the Aryans split up, with the Phoenicians settling in the Levant and the other Aryans in northern Europe.

The Jews were a migrating people from North Africa that moved to the Levant also crossed into the Arabian Peninsula. They adopted the regional language which was prominent due to the Phoenicians having already established presence in North Africa before and during the rise of the Egyptian kingdoms. Phoenicians were around way longer than the mystic Jews of the desert.

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There is a very large fallacy with what you and your link are trying to say.

I knew better than to even include that tidbit, as it isn't as well evidenced as the main argument, nor is it even related to the main argument, and I knew you would latch onto that as the basis of your reply. For clarity's sake:

The main argument: the lineage from the Phoenicians seafaring empire to the modern 'jewish' shipping/trading/warfare empires (e.g. (((the Vanderbilts, the Schiffs))), et. al.) is unbroken.

The aside: it is futile to assume any country's distant history is valid, especially in the face of evidence or deliberate falsification and deliberate destruction. Further, our primary and *only* method of discovering forgery is to compare the histories of countries to each other, especially countries warring or otherwise enemies. Finally, there is evidence to suggest the Indians were sacked at some point too, which should cause extra suspicion.

You need to understand the Rigveda

The Vedas are all numbered in hymn and verse - it should be dead easy to cite. Please provide cites.

The Jews were a migrating people from North Africa that moved to the Levant also crossed into the Arabian Peninsula.

This is also one I'm very curious about. I have made it a passion of mine to study the oldest source texts for our history, the origins of our philosophy, and our science, and haven't even seen a text anywhere near the time frame of interest here. Again, if you are anywhere out of proximity of recent history, forgery becomes very common.

Even the bible, known as the 'best preserved' ancient text, is rife with forgery after the Catholic Church lost most of the books during the dark ages. They offered huge bounties, roughly equivalent to a years pay at hard labor, and thus forgery was a huge business, which the Church then tried to root out. The vedas had no such organization maintaining them and claim to be even older, so do try to be reasonable here.

They adopted the regional language which was prominent due to the Phoenicians

This is supposition. I've personally studied this, trying to determine which was a precursor to which, and there are no records, only more supposition. Do keep that in mind.

> There is a very large fallacy with what you and your link are trying to say. I knew better than to even include that tidbit, as it isn't as well evidenced as the main argument, nor is it even related to the main argument, and I knew you would latch onto that as the basis of your reply. For clarity's sake: The main argument: **the lineage from the Phoenicians seafaring empire to the modern 'jewish' shipping/trading/warfare empires** (e.g. (((the Vanderbilts, the Schiffs))), et. al.) **is unbroken**. The aside: **it is futile to assume any country's distant history is valid,** especially in the face of evidence or deliberate falsification and deliberate destruction. Further, our primary and \*only\* method of discovering forgery is to compare the histories of countries to each other, especially countries warring or otherwise enemies. Finally, there is evidence to suggest the Indians were sacked at some point too, which should cause extra suspicion. > You need to understand the Rigveda The Vedas are all numbered in hymn and verse - it should be dead easy to cite. Please provide cites. > The Jews were a migrating people from North Africa that moved to the Levant also crossed into the Arabian Peninsula. This is also one I'm very curious about. I have made it a passion of mine to study the oldest source texts for our history, the origins of our philosophy, and our science, and haven't even seen a text anywhere near the time frame of interest here. Again, if you are anywhere out of proximity of recent history, forgery becomes very common. Even the bible, known as the 'best preserved' ancient text, is rife with forgery after the Catholic Church lost most of the books during the dark ages. They offered huge bounties, roughly equivalent to a years pay at hard labor, and thus forgery was a huge business, which the Church then tried to root out. The vedas had no such organization maintaining them and claim to be even older, so do try to be reasonable here. > They adopted the regional language which was prominent due to the Phoenicians This is supposition. I've personally studied this, trying to determine which was a precursor to which, and there are no records, only more supposition. Do keep that in mind.

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I have made it a passion of mine to study the oldest source texts for our history, the origins of our philosophy, and our science

Would love to hear what you think about our origins and what the true history really is as most leads ends with Sumeria, Egypt, or India and then its stitching it together from there.

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Please pardon the long reply - I apparently haven't logged into Poal in a Month.

Would love to hear what you think about our origins and what the true history really is as most leads ends with Sumeria, Egypt, or India and then its stitching it together from there.

First off, an old saying: reality is stranger than fiction. Most of what I have dug up or found from others' work builds a picture so fantastic, it becomes hard to cope with. Now then:

By true history, did you mean ancestry? If so, this is a complete mess, if you mean recent ancestry (nearer than 5000 years yet older than 600-700 years). If you mean distant ancestry, we are most likely a hybrid of two species, namely the pygmy chimpanzee (now, Bonobo) and the Sus scrofa, common pig, which supposedly explains why everything we don't have in common with monkeys, we have in common with pigs (vasculature, spine, the human vagina is lifted entirely from the pig, pyramidal kidneys, eye colors other than brown, etc). More on this from here: http://www.macroevolution.net/human-origins.html

The key to this understanding is:

just about any two mammals can hybridize so long as they can have sex, and
the result isn't 'halfway between one parent and the other', but 'this organ from one parent and this from the other'. There is a compendia of hybrids here, sorted by distance (from interspecies to intergenera): http://www.macroevolution.net/mammalian-hybrids-articles.html

By true history, did you mean of science? If so, this is my specialty, but is also a complete mess, with *zero* records from about 1000 years ago onward - we only have the writings of those who claimed to quote those who came before. Our oldest original records are Persian, who taught the Greeks Alchemy/Astrology/the keeping of records, after which we have 'our' first historical records regarding the development of scientific thought. I can deep dive into this if you want, or into more recent discoveries (e.g. math has been fucked, negative numbers don't exist/aren't real, radioactive decay isn't stochastic, and so forth).

By true history, did you mean of the planet, as it affects our development? I'll deep dive into this if you want as well, but I'm out of time for it now.

Please pardon the long reply - I apparently haven't logged into Poal in a Month. > Would love to hear what you think about our origins and what the true history really is as most leads ends with Sumeria, Egypt, or India and then its stitching it together from there. **First off, an old saying:** reality is stranger than fiction. Most of what I have dug up or found from others' work builds a picture so fantastic, it becomes hard to cope with. Now then: **By true history, did you mean ancestry?** If so, this is a complete mess, if you mean recent ancestry (nearer than 5000 years yet older than 600-700 years). If you mean distant ancestry, we are most likely a hybrid of two species, namely the pygmy chimpanzee (now, Bonobo) and the Sus scrofa, common pig, which supposedly explains why everything we don't have in common with monkeys, we have in common with pigs (vasculature, spine, the human vagina is lifted entirely from the pig, pyramidal kidneys, eye colors other than brown, etc). More on this from here: http://www.macroevolution.net/human-origins.html The key to this understanding is: * just about any two mammals can hybridize so long as they can have sex, and * the result isn't 'halfway between one parent and the other', but 'this organ from one parent and this from the other'. There is a compendia of hybrids here, sorted by distance (from interspecies to intergenera): http://www.macroevolution.net/mammalian-hybrids-articles.html **By true history, did you mean of science?** If so, this is my specialty, but is also a complete mess, with \*zero\* records from about 1000 years ago onward - we only have the writings of those who claimed to quote those who came before. Our oldest original records are Persian, who taught the Greeks Alchemy/Astrology/the keeping of records, after which we have 'our' first historical records regarding the development of scientific thought. I can deep dive into this if you want, or into more recent discoveries (e.g. math has been fucked, negative numbers don't exist/aren't real, radioactive decay isn't stochastic, and so forth). **By true history, did you mean of the planet, as it affects our development?** I'll deep dive into this if you want as well, but I'm out of time for it now.

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