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If we had it in any place today, you could expect the following to take it over:

  • first on the docket for what you might expect to see is the disgusting and horrifying. From snuff and gore, to depictions of all manner of material that it would repulse you to even think about.

  • you are going to see a lot of white supremacist of the variety that even seigefags and wignats would find extreme, I'm talking "kill all nonwhites, enslaved the females, then kill all the whites that dont meet my standards" variety.

  • if that is not going to put you off, what about the black market? You are going to see a fuckton of drugs, weapons, falsified documentation, and other such things being sold and promoted all over the place.

  • Not bad enough? What about leaking the personal information of people and making calls for violence against them? What about people organizing plans for violent and criminal activities? Not just terrorism, either.

  • going into the realm of depravity even forthright, you will likely see corpses being desecrated, raped, and even eaten, you will be the abuse and defilement of animals, you will see things that are considered crimes against the dead and against nature itself.

  • you might be ok with all that, but you are going to see a lot more of something you will likely appreciate a lots less: child porn, a lot of child porn. Not talking just those who are legally undraged but biologically adult, not even teenagers, I'm talking about pubescent, prepubescents, children toddlers, even babies will be posted all over.

  • how about combining the previous three categories and talking about human trafficking in the sales of children as sexual slaves? Because you'd likely see that, too.

Still want absolute freedom of speech? Still think the first amendment should be interpreted as is with no exceptions? Then expect all of this to be permitted as well.

People who advocate for free speech as an absolute often forget how bad the things that people can say could be. Or maybe they are aware, but support it regardless.

There is a lot of debate to be had regarding mere expression and what limits, if any, should be placed upon it.

If we had it in any place today, you could expect the following to take it over: - first on the docket for what you might expect to see is the disgusting and horrifying. From snuff and gore, to depictions of all manner of material that it would repulse you to even think about. - you are going to see a lot of white supremacist of the variety that even seigefags and wignats would find extreme, I'm talking "kill all nonwhites, enslaved the females, then kill all the whites that dont meet my standards" variety. - if that is not going to put you off, what about the black market? You are going to see a fuckton of drugs, weapons, falsified documentation, and other such things being sold and promoted all over the place. - Not bad enough? What about leaking the personal information of people and making calls for violence against them? What about people organizing plans for violent and criminal activities? Not just terrorism, either. - going into the realm of depravity even forthright, you will likely see corpses being desecrated, raped, and even eaten, you will be the abuse and defilement of animals, you will see things that are considered crimes against the dead and against nature itself. - you might be ok with all that, but you are going to see a lot more of something you will likely appreciate a lots less: child porn, a lot of child porn. Not talking just those who are legally undraged but biologically adult, not even teenagers, I'm talking about pubescent, prepubescents, children toddlers, even babies will be posted all over. - how about combining the previous three categories and talking about human trafficking in the sales of children as sexual slaves? Because you'd likely see that, too. Still want absolute freedom of speech? Still think the first amendment should be interpreted as is with no exceptions? Then expect all of this to be permitted as well. People who advocate for free speech as an absolute often forget how bad the things that people can say could be. Or maybe they are aware, but support it regardless. There is a lot of debate to be had regarding mere expression and what limits, if any, should be placed upon it.

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In my honest opinion, everyone is authoritarian when it comes to others and a libertarian when it comes to themselves. Everyone wants pure unfettered freedom for themselves which means denying it from others. When it comes to balancing their freedoms with others concessions are made. I want to be able to murder others who i dont like because i find them a threat, but i do not want others to murder me, so i will give up my right to murder unfettered in order to obtain the right to not be murdered. Everything kind of stems from there and it really doesnt need to be that complicated.

As for the filth you mentioned, that isnt free speech. Imagery isnt speech its something else. pornography is consumed visually, like food orally. It would sicken most people to have someone else force feed you, in fact i believe its considered a form of torture. The same rule i think would apply to depraved imagery, it is not something we seek out, so being forced to view it is akin to being forced to eat food against your will.

Id personally go a step further and remove all music from supermarkets, im god damn sick of hearing nigger shit everytime i get some bread and milk. People have headphones if they want to be audibly raped, its not something i wish to be subject to.

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I think I might be pathological but I'm inclined towards an absolute in free speech. Like I'm the exact opposite of people that want to censor and control other people. You make some good points such as how horrific reality can be. I wouldn't advocate for destroying children's innocence with the worst of it but gentle exposure to reality is probably more beneficial than detrimental for them.

As for publicly sharing crimes, that is kind of a silly argument. If people share their crimes freely they will be caught. Just because discussion of an idea is legal doesn't mean the act itself is. Similarly CP:the act should almost certainly be illegal (there's that pathology equivocating) but sharing images of a crime should not be illegal. There are probably sickos that get off on gore or whatever but I wouldn't criminalize gory images. I just don't look at them personally and certainly don't get off on them but do find grim reality interesting

And there are always community standards. I know this phrase is abused by the likes of youtube and facebook to censor but I think free and open discussion of community standards and then enforcement of those standards is desirable. If the community decides on absolute freedom of expression that should be respected no matter how distasteful. Similarly if a community wants to restrict expression, for example dedicating to a single idea such as pictures of puppies, they should be free to do that

I realize I am in a vanishingly small minority. Everyone has things they are offended by and most are happy to wield the ban hammer on those things which I think is a shame as it diminishes our experiences. I can understand wanting to insulate yourself from horrific things. I only have to read a headline about some kind of child abuse and I get angry, impotently so, but I would not advocate sweeping such horrors under the rug