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I'm late to the party, but I reject the focus of this talk. It's all turns on language, of course. Hate can only exist where there is love. Love is primitive, for to hate something implies the love of some good. The speaker mentions hatred of slavery. Does the hatred of slavery not derive from the love of freedom? If not for the Good, there could be no hate, which is why I say that it is primitive. Evil is always subordinate to Good, as a principle. Even the serial murderer, when he commits what his victims and observers judge as evil acts, does so in pursuit of goodness. While that might sound as if it verges on relativism, it should be clear that it does not. It's as simple as realizing that no person freely chooses the bad over the good. The murderer does not kill because it is bad for him, but he pursues - as we all pursue - a goodness from the act. We judge that his actions are an immoral means of pursuing goodness, one who derives pleasure from the pain of others is evil, but nobody could say that the killer pursues badness. Even where a person claims to pursue badness for its own sake, he does so because he experiences goodness in this.

So I think this whole focus on the term hinges on a choice of language. It's not hate that emancipates us and gives us energy. It's love. I see one other commentator brought up the issue of race. To see my point, consider the possible world where all classes on non-white people behaved just like the average white person does. That is, there are no racial disparities in intelligence, culture, behavior, etc. No significant income gaps or differences in group-level wellbeing. Would you hate other races in this world? Perhaps you'd prefer your own race still, on account of other factors, but I doubt if you'd experience hate.

You don't hate other races. You love your own, and you love what you take your race to represent (your values perhaps). Your hatred of another race is not a hatred of inequality, but a love of equality, as in the sameness/similarity that exists among your people. You recognize that inequalities cause people to become threats to you and yours, and because you love your people, you 'hate' the Other. I don't discount the crude reality or power of the state that we call hate, but all else being equal, I think it is important that we not focus on the hate, but on the more primitive origin of hate, which will always be love. If you did not love your people, your family, your culture, you wouldn't hate the thing which threatened these.

Nature itself is violent. There is an order in which this kills that, kills that, which in its own turn, goes on to kill another. Do I hate any of these creatures for their violence? Of course not. I hate what threatens what I love. If I do not love a thing, I cannot hate what threatens it.

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"Without a deadly hatred for that which threatens what we love, love is but an empty catchphrase for hippies, queers and cowards." - George Lincoln Rockwell

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Trust me when I say I understand the sentiment. There is a kind of duality which exists between love-hate which is conceptually very difficult to reconcile. I see that you defended your Rockwell quote in that post about Ebba from earlier today, so let's use this as an example. I have said that hate is the counterpoint to the love one feels for what Ebba represents (our people), therefore, hate derives from love of our people and is the motivated relation we take toward that which threatens what we love.

In terms of motivational content, what would love of Ebba incline us to do? Protect her perhaps. Can we say that the change in our stance toward Muslims, from tolerance toward violence, is motivated by love? Some might disagree. Some might say that it's patently in the nature of hate (the way we feel when we hate, the thoughts it generates, the actions it motivates) to be different from love.

On the one hand, I want to agree with Rockwell. I see that hate derives from love, and if one does not hate that which threatens what they love, they don't love at all.

On the other hand, I'm inclined to think about this situation from the metaphor of the farmer, who owning animals naturally becomes a protector. So say I'm a goat farmer, and my goats are threatened by a pack a coyotes. If I really love my goats, there is a way that it is possible for me to hate the coyote, especially if I've personally experienced the loss of my animals and saw the carnage firsthand.

But there is also a way in which man can rise above the level of emotion, where the crude emotions themselves cease to structure the world in their terms. The farmer doesn't typically hate the coyote.

Instead, the farmer merely understands the coyote's nature. In this case, the farmer's actions to kill the coyote begin to emanate not from an emotional impulse, but rather from duty. When the farmer kills the coyote, he does it not from the emotional frame (which is prone to irrationality and rashness), but from a dispassionate standpoint. It is something he knows he simply must do, and he does it, lawfully even.

The difference seems to hang on the want to kill. If we are like the farmer, we may kill to defend Ebba, but not out of the satisfaction or pleasure of killing in and of itself, but out of the sense of duty to protect that arises from love of Ebba.

I think we get into trouble when we are motivated primarily by the emotion of hate, which is a kind of negative pressure that seeks satisfaction from the act of killing, which makes further emotion the object of the protector's actions, namely the satisfaction of revenge. Vengeance is the Lord's. We ought to approach these things from the standpoint of DUTY. We should not enjoy killing, or want to kill. This is the wrong motivation. The farmer doesn't get pleasure in killing the coyote, he simply does it because it issues from his duty to his animals.

If we must kill, we must. But we should do it dispassionately with the desire (no matter how unrealistic) that someday our need to kill might cease. Justice has to be rational, not something like this sinful burden we just toss back and forth between groups: you kill me, you transfer pain to me, I kill you, transfer pain to you, like a game of vengeful hot potato.

To see what I mean, killing as flowing from duty can also flow from love, in the case where a rancher puts down a suffering cow or horse. Our response to the Muslim threat (if it should come to that) must also track the object of minimizing suffering and loss, as opposed to tracking revenge for its own sake.

I'd also argue that an opponent who approaches us dispassionately, out of a sense of duty and lawfulness, is much more intimidating opponent. Imagine yourself about to get into a bar fight. In nine out of ten times, which opponent would be likelier to end the fight before it began (simply as a result of his demeanor): the frantic/emotional/immature male, or the man you see stand up from the bar stool calmly and quietly, rolling up his sleeves without ever losing the neutral countenance on his face? I know when I see that second guy, I'm probably getting my ass whooped. In the case of Muslims, it's the difference between our people representing a foe (to the Muslims) that is reacting to them, versus a foe that shows up with a straight face that just does this and always has, as surely as we take the trash out, plow the driveway after a snow, or kill the coyote.

This is one objection I usually have in mind when people call Christianity passive. To me, that's a misunderstanding with respect to justice. If we must kill out of duty, then we must. I see that what Christ means for us to do is really to behave rationally, and never to make our choice on emotion. To turn the other cheek is just to recognize that a stinging cheek is all that's at stake and to offer it, implying that what makes our choice whether to seek reprisal involves judgment. If all that is at stake is the loss of pride at my flushed cheek, then send a message to your enemy by offering the other, letting this become a demonstration of your restrained power (not the least of which is your mental power).

I'm reminded of a quote from the film 7even where Detective Somerset says to Detective Mills (whose character represents wrath and who has just severely lost his patience with a reporter):

"It's impressive to see a man feeding off of his emotions."

In fact, that final 'feeding off emotions' by Mills was the consummation of the villain's plan. It was meant to cause the protagonist to give himself over to wrath. It is impressive to see men feeding off emotions. It is a spectacle. We all understand Mill's final choice, but the lesson comes from what could have happened if he'd restrained himself instead of letting his impulses possess him. Turning the other cheek is about control over the lower self so that we are not overcome by the power of the baser principles, whose provenance is inhuman, being of an animal nature and worse.

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Proverbs 8:13 (biblegateway.com)

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