> They have done the math and concluded that the militiaries, as they stand, would sufficiently side with the citizens Are you sure? I've said it before and I'll say it again: A small marine recon unit would wipe even a citizen militia. Cops, staties, swat, etc would be f.u.c.k'ed if just 1% of the u.s. military goes "off reservation". The state shits its pants in fear and stays up at night, thinking about ways to keep the frontline guys asleep. > They are going to turn on the people who pay them. I' Exactly. > Modern military and police are grossly unamerican in their mental scope. I don't think so. I think its more of the same, "not in my backyard". So when it does come to that, and they realize "wait a minute, WE ARE the guys who can stop this", then, and only then, will elements of the military get involved. They'll try to do the whole Q thing, but for the military, if the military starts to turn on them.