This is gonna be a long post, my keyboard has a key or two going out, and I'm still editing it, so bare with me. But I think you deserve a better response than some pithy two paragraphs. And thank you for the service you provided fwiw.
I can appreciate everything you wrote. I would just like to add that the media showed only the .0001% of the police in that light and amplified that just like the media does with everything else so that it looks normal and the status quo.
Yes and that is the intention. However they are making a mistake and don't realize it yet, and with the abandonment of the local police system to nationalization what will happen is the national police force will go the route of the FBI (and DHS, and ATF), near-complete in the deligimitization of the institution, and bankrupt for public support or consent.
The regime wants a nationalized police force (really a standing army), because they have no connection to the local areas they are going to being enforcing DC's dictates in. Makes it a whole lot easier for serious overreach like happened with california patrolmen being used for gun confiscation during hurricane katrina.
What they, DC, and the regime don't fully realize is the locality-factor of policing is what makes locals support them to begin with. The alienation will cut both ways. And the brutality that will result because of it will force local politicians to support severing relations with the federal government in one capacity or another, sooner or later. The politics just works out that way.
The truth is that there are many really good men in the military, and a majority in the police force are too. And right now they are still 100% an obstacle to the regime making bigger, less manageable, mistakes. They are an obstacle, not to the regime gaining control, but ultimately losing it.
Because of this unfortunate set of circumstances, abandonment of local policing will be necessary to win against the enemy. As long as there are local police who choose, local chiefs, who choose, to obey the politics of the moment, over actual law enforcement, it undermines any good the rest of the majority may do at all. A dozen good policemen in kenosha, or seattle, disobeying orders, would not have made a difference, because the chiefs send the few who will obey, and boot the ones who won't. Theres limits to this, but this is the general case.
I know this post is kinda long, but in order to beat these people, not the cops, but the regime, it is gonna take a certain kind of fuck-you attitude.
The kind of attitude that is willing and morally able to break the law when the law is wrong, or when the law is a farce. The kind thats criminal at heart. That is what we need. Men so fucking free, that they have utter disregard for the law where it's used as a double standard, but who adamantly resist the urge to lawlessness. Men who choose, by pushing the law to its very limits, the way the illegitimate regime officials does--men who fight fire with fire. You cannot win by playing by someone elses rules, not without enormous odds against you, nor can you reliably win when you follow rules that your opponent doesn't have to, and it is very obvious at this point that the u.s. government (and other governments such as the uk, france, australia, new zealand) does not follow the law anymore.
We need men who are criminal at heart, but principled and LAWFUL in their actions. Because right now there are millions of people in america and the west, who do not exercise their rights to the fullest. They self-censor because of fears, spread by DOD and fusion centers, of "infiltrators everywhere". They refuse to participate in lawful community policing like militias or even just stopping criminls like Petland did, because they fear being framed and entrapped like the michigan militias or destroyed by regime kangaroo courts. They do not go to lawful protests or meetings because they fear being terrorized by mobs and arrested by police like the parents protesting CRT. They do not exercise their righs in public because they fear being stopped and harassed. They joke about being put on lists to dismiss the real fear of being put on lists which the state should be indicted for even making. They live in a country where a firearm trigger could have their door broken down, their kids shot like at ruby ridge, and their entire life turned upside down by a court system that is out of control and beholden to bloated and utterly unregulated militarized intelligence and enforcement agencies like the DHS and ATF. They fear talking too loudly in public, or having the "wrong opinions". They fear writing letters to their congressmen, or being too involved, lest they be labelled "fixated persons". They fear the no-knock raid, and the misuse of policy to create gun registries, which yearly are denied as a policy, while paradoxically, being openly admitted to without serious consequence. They fear defamation campaigns for "hate speech" like saying they dont want trannies in girls bathrooms. They fear slander from a 24/7 news cycle that operates as a defacto arm of the CIA, spewing labels that are de facto used to justify mob violence and *unending streams *of uninvestigated death threats against peoples homes, families, schools, and places of employment.
People fear to live or exercise their rights at all. It is so blatant, so obvious, and so clear to me that I wonder how anyone at all can't see it for exactly what it is.
We live in a police state. Like the official meaning of the word.
Complete with unaccountable bureaucrats, state-sponsored terrorism, mass spying, passing the buck, hordes of men who stand down in the face of open criminality because they're told to, while going home after work to excuse to themselves why they're still "real americans" and still "uphold the law". The very law they stood down for as it was trashed, and their communities burned, looted, and overrun with millions of illegals bused in by their own government, communities abandoned to lawlessness, drugs, rape gangs, human trafficking, institutional financial impoverishment like in 2008, homelessness by vets abandoned and the promises made to them about jobs, pensions, healthcare to fix the poisons injected into them as they were used for guinea pigs, health wrecked by the very government that promised to provide for fixing these outrages, mass waves of daily suicides, men addicted to pain meds to manage their knees, joints, and backs destroyed in pointless fucking wars, men forced under their COs orders to take uppers, or downers, or whatever kept their morale in check so they'd keep fighting in a war that never should have happened.
To fix america, we first have to abandon the men who claim to protect it, when all they protect is themselves in a job.
To fix america, unfortunately, we have to cultivate an attitude of lawlessness, while upholding that very law, and pushing it to its limits. You don't get fearless men from those who only believe in the law and only the law, rather than spirit that inspired it.
You have to believe in something bigger than the law. You have to believe in principles that supersede it, because without that you will never be fearless enough to exercise your rights fully to the limit. You will always shrink back to what is 'reasonable'. And now is not a time for patient men. Now is a time for ruthless men. Men who are unreasonable in their insistence toward ONE law FOR ALL, and not a two-tier system where celebrities, and bankers, and executives, and officials, and well-connected people in DC are free to endorse, fund, manage, and encourage leftwing mobs, or engage in campaigns of 'slander' encouraging mass violence against their political opponents.
What we need is men who are intolerant of evil. utterly and completely. Who are "free" in heart as their forefathers truly were. criminals at heart, who by the founding of the NEW law, the constitution, set a standard for ALL, though in their case they ultimately had to fight a war to do it. And had they not been at least WILLING, had they not been beyond laws that are unjust, beyond courts that are beholden, beyond officials who are unrecognizable representatives of interests contrary to the public good--
Had they not been in their own right truly "criminal", they would never have had heart to do what was necessary, regardless of whether it was to be peaceful or not.
To restore the rule of law in America, we must be composed of men utterly in contempt for illegitimate authority and unjust law. Men whos contempt for useless officials and overreaching bureaucrats and street enforcers, overrules any sense of modesty, decency, fairness, consequence, or temperance. We must be men who are utterly disciplined in following the law, and thoroughly against it's (lack of equal) enforcement.
Like the unjustified and grievous outrage and slander of the "terrorism" label they unlawfully and treasonously apply to everyone without legal recourse--our very existence must become to them a real and apparent threat to their power. That we should so provocatively uphold the law and so readily be in contempt of its officials, that they say to themselves "surely these men are terrorists! SURELY they really will will sooner or later become a real threat!", while we ever hold fast the law that the real terrorists running the regime daily break and undermine.
We must to them become a splinter in their eye. A thorn in their side. The roar of thunder that warns of lightening.
A patriot isn't a terrorist. Or some stupid red-dawn-esque guerilla freedom fighter.
A patriot is someone willing to uphold the law against their own government . Regardless of what unlawful punishments they would level at them.
Do not bow to evil my man. Do not tolerate it. Even if you job orders you to. If you can't destroy it, resist it and thwart it in everyway you can.
I am a patriot, because I hold the unreasonable belief that government officials really should, genuinely and utterly be thoroughly afraid of their citizens, and it is our duty to make sure, however we uphold the peace and the law, that they are never certain that we will continue to do so, but are always looking over their shoulder for loose cannons and the sons of liberty.
If you want freedom, first become someone who doesn't care about consequences.
And then demand, at the risk of all punishments, be they from congressmen, or all-powerful "princes" in their princedoms, that the law be upheld equally, with swiftness, fairly, and openly, for all.
Or else.
Your job is to live fully, and freely, so that your life becomes that "or else" to any officials who tread on sacred ground.
As you retreat from this obligation, so they take more of that sacred ground. That is what being "reasonable" and polite, and not saying risky things, causes. Our law. Our way of life. Our obligations, and oaths, are NOT light matters. These are issues of life and death, that in the face of utter lawlessness from our government, begger all questions of right and wrong. They mean to tread on you. Really. In a very real sense. With laws designed to hem in your gun rights, generationally. Designed to confiscate your property, in a real way, through incremental taxes. To edge you out with imported foreign labor and foreign voters. To disenfranchise you.
They don't call it "treading", but that is what it is. And these grievances go unremedied. Unfixed. And get worse, year on year, with lipservice by one party or another about "doing something", but only when they're looking for a handout. And the M.O. never changes. And anyone thats real, thats genuine, who tries to stop this disgusting violent charade of crimes against the american public, is destroyed or blackmailed by unaccountable spy agencies, like they tried to do to Matt Gaetz.
They look down on you and mean to tread on you, and do this all without any real representation. None. Not a one is real or genuine. They mean to tread on you.
Don't let them.
Your job is to make them afraid that there are still americans out there, australians, canadians, brits, new zealanders, and others, however lawful, however peaceful, that if pushed too far, will push back, men who are unpredictable, and truly do "just want to be left alone."
Dangerous men.
You very appearance on the scene, your presence in any movement, must be like a warning sign, a red flag, a watchword, that says to those in charge. "we are fucking with fire, and should back down."
Theres a prayer I want to close with, one I try to pray daily: "Lord let me live my life as a prayer and in honor to liberty, and the mortal fear of the wicked and tyrants, and let no hesitation enter my heart in the pursuit of what is right, and good in true, upholding the peace and the law wherever I go and in anything I do, and fearing nothing but you. Amen."
Stay well brother, and may you always keep liberty, as liberty keeps you.
I don't have the time to properly respond right now but as soon as my wife is done homeschooling I'll have a few minutes downtime to respond from a laptop
I look forward to it.
What I'm going to write, is going to be alienating. I won't mince my words. Take it for what it is, and understand I bare you no ill will.
they're also very conservative leaning
The police unions are 100% coopted. Were they not, they would not have sided with blm. "And you will know them by their fruits."
Their fruits are rotten. The fruit is rotten.
how long do you think it would take to actually make that a real recognized thing everywhere?
About 15 years by my estimate. Thats to start it, and begin normalization of it.
I don't know anything about california except that they may as well be a foreign country compared to where I live in Montana.
I'm glad you're not there. The story on california is that the LA riots were the point at which the coup-by-arson playbook was first formulated in it's modern reincarnation. The opposing party capitulated and from there, the ne regime spread its influence across the rest of the state. They have not had a legitimate election since then.
I'm glad for your uncle, but please redact those details for your sake and for his.
I support any and all state separation from federal government, most importantly at the school level.
Glad to hear it. Keep doing that. Don't ever give up, even for a second. And if you ever need legal advice on it, I know someone who can be of a huge help in that regard.
I don't believe this is the general case at all especially given that the police union has been completely against mandates.
They've been completely against mandates for them . For everyone else, they have enforced it against us.
This is what I'm talking about. They're not, as an institution, for one standard of law. They're for one standard for them and theres and a different standard for everyone else. I'm not talking rank and file.
Look at the orders being given. You can't afford to be uncertain about where leaderships loyalty lays. Look at the actions and let the individual actions inform you about the broad thrust of actual loyalty.
If you choose to have doubts, if you falter, and say "what about them doing xyz for us" you've already lost to people who have lied to you and used you for bad ends.
Always ask "why did someone give this order?" If you have to ask if its a bad order, then you already know the answer.
And then you should be asking the next question: Whats the motive?
Theres your answer.
You may not be comfortable with it. You may not accept it, or agree with it, but it is the truth.
The rest of what you say reads like a hollywood movie. I don't mean to offend you but that's just the way I speak to people. The vast majority of people just want to raise their kids and live an enjoyable life and retire as early as possible and go fishing
Oh I'm solid on the hyperbole, thats practically my trademark, but theres a bit of truth to it. If you don't disrespect law and authority then you won't push against it to the full legal limit when it decides to impose unlawfully.
Most people just want to live, but they only just see how fare gone the u.s. is. What happens in california?
Thats gonna be normal in Montana in less than 20 years.
Don't believe me?
Utah thought they were safe from that too.
So did texas.
This is exactly what I mean when I say you won't believe it until you see it. Go talk to someone from those states. NO seriously. Go talk to an old timer. Ask them if they ever thought there would tranny story hour, and riots in their suburb or even small town. Go talk to the amish in michigan who had the county trying to confiscate their homes because they wouldn't hook up to the county utilities.
This dysfunction, this violence, can and is coming your way, to all of us, whether you want to believe and accept it, or not.
I would like nothing more than my fellow Americans and other people in countries like australia, and canada, to be able to live our lives.
The truth is though, things are going to get harder. Poorer. Taxes are going higher. You are in fact, regardless of who gets elected , going, in effect, to have less influence or say in events. Your children are gonna grow up poorer, less safe. There will be more wars. They will be drafted. They will not have a say in that, or the injections the military pushes on them as part of service. If theres not a draft, the u.s. will be impoverished while the military is pumped up to "voluntarily" push people into it as a way out of the destroyed non-existent middle class, which will be reduced to poverty over the years. Nine out of ten homes will be owned by black rock or vanguard, and all of them will forbidden firearm ownership on the premise, or require a very high liability insurance payment to restrict the right. You will pay $6-7 a gallon for gas, and with taxes, pay an average of $0.60-$1.50 per bullet for your guns, and that will be considered cheap compared to the permitting. The direction of more widespread gun rights is walkback, and like all walkback, is provably temporary, because walkback is always temporary.
Where I live the police are afraid of the citizens. The politicians are afraid of the citizens.
Good, they ought to be. None of them are honest or trustworthy and will betray their constituents the moment the political calculus forces them to.
There is literally no enforcement for crimes committed in public office. And every incentive for intelligence agencies and lobbyists to bribe, threaten, and blackmail officials.
Assume all of them are and it will always explain the taciturn and ineffective nature of every one of them. Why things never improve.
I still have not been disappointed, not once, by following this rule. This singular rule, has not failed me, at all, ever, not a single time that I have employed it in the last four years.
Yes this reads like hyperbole. Unfortunately it is also true. I invite you to try it. Take any even seemingly minor issue, say in the courts, being ruled on. Assume the worst, that the judge is compromised, or the political leader leading the charge, is no good. Wait six to eight months. See if it gets overturned and hurts us. See if our politicians compromise on it when they could have taken it all the way.
And then ask yourself, why?
They don't want to win, because they don't represent us.
I want you to ask yourself something. How often does it seem our political representation fails to follow through on promises? When you were in the military, or your family was, or how you were raised, ask yourself, were excuses ever an acceptable answer to why someone failed? Was blaming the other guy ever an acceptable answer? If someone did that all the time, while say, benefiting from insider trading, and failing to stop bad bills, would that look like "accident" or does that look like a pattern of repeated behavior to you?
I'm telling you, you are not getting what I'm driving at.
The guys in office we support are there to be a temporary obstacle, because they can be always be reelected. And when it comes time they always fail us last minute, or pass bills but add no teeth, and call it "mission accomplished" while we get walked on and shafted by the u.s. congress and senate and state governments. The guys in office, maybe even the ones you suported, will never tell you that when the political agenda in this country changes, they will be willing to step out of the way, or conveniently fail to stop it, and their excuse will be the same that we have already heard : Aw shucks, we just couldn't stop it this time! BUT we'll get em next time, we sure will! Remember to donate.
Look at the upcoming midterms. Heres my prediction to you. If the GOP sweeps the elections, house and senate, and maybe they will, watch as they squander their control. As they put that power up on a shelf like a trophy, and do nothing with it. Watch as anything they 'try' to do is 'frustered in committee'. And anythign they could do, any obvious strategy or tactic they could employ to bypass this obstruction? Watch as for some "odd reason" it doesn't pass.
Watch as, like younking in virginia, they pass things by executive order rather than as bills. Executive orders against things like CRT, but which actually roll back nothing , and provide no teeth for consequences or enforcement.
This is the game they are playing with us, you, me, and everyone else.
I am telling you, in no uncertain terms, disregarding hyperbole, that these people are not on our side, and are in fact grifting us and working hand and hand in with the left. Yes this is hard to believe, and no I can't convince of it. Ultimately, it's up to you to decide.
He wanted Hillary Clinton to win against Trump. He got both vaccines and the booster. And that's what makes this country so great. The fact that him and I for all intents and purposes are of opposite politics yet go out together hunting and hiking and helping our community speaks volumes.
You do not understand the threat or the danger and your neighbors is not your friend. He is humoring you as if you were a fool.
No one who supports the second amendment could support hillary. No one who supports liberty could support the jabs. If there is one thing I promise you, is that if anyone tells you different, they. are. lying. to you.
Your neighbor, at the first sign of civil war, at the first mass-panic about "widespread civil conflict" and the next corona-level panic campaign about "see something say something"..that neighbor will be the first to turn you in.
Also served in the military, trains in the wilderness and I've gone with him numerous times to go shooting and training with them. He's also a patriot but he thinks people like my neighbor aren't true patriots
Hes right and you should listen to him on that topic.
From my perspective they're both patriots celebrating and taking part in a framework called American culture where both sides are tolerated and allowed to express themselves
One side tolerates dissent. The other side is ok with officials making jokes about nuking americans who won't disarm, or taking the presidents sons and putting them in cages to be raped. They're ok with that. Understand thats the rhetoric of hillary and the left. They're ok with that. And your neighbor supports that by extension.
You are deluding yourself with ideals. These people are not americans. These people are monsters and will become enemy combatants the moment they face a big enough national disaster and are lied to that you and people like us are responsible.
Sorry for taking so long to reply, there's no black and white when it comes to military and police
No, there definitely are.
you do not obey unlawful orders.
If you do, you are an enemy combatant.
That is the standard they will be held to when things collapse in america, and there will be no changing sides or live and let live.
"join or die" is not a slogan, it is a way of life and understanding everything around you. It was, is, and will be, the ideology of those who must be free, no matter the cost, that must see others free, instead of trampled under foot by illegitimate and unlawful governments.
And it will take hard, indefatigable will, to win.
Anything else is half measures, and calling people who support the regime, like clinton supporters, or vax supporters, or anti-second amendment activists, your fellow patriots.
You are welcome to believe different. And if you do, you are useless and a danger to anyone that would have you.
Do not make peace with oathbreakers or tolerate evil, or with those who do.
If you do, your ideals mean nothing, because the people you associate with do not hold the same values as you and do not hold the same ideals as you .
You are american, they are not.
Your military friend is right, listen to his advice.
You'll know them by their fruits.
This is the only question you have to ask. What do they support despite what they claim to support?
Like I wrote. It was going to be alienating. You shared more with me, than I did with you, and I'm grateful for that. Again, I bear you no ill will.
Wish you the best on your end, you and yours.
The "vast majority" of our cops will gun you down when they come for your guns and you resist. Who the fuck are you trying to con?
They might not agree with the law, but they will enforce the ever living fuck out of it even if it means murdering millions of people.
Look at the drug war. Look at asset seizure forfeiture. They don't give a shit about anyone other than their families, their paychecks, and their pensions
The fuck it is, faggot.
Virtually every cop on the force is a multiple felon and I can prove it, right here and right now in such a way that even your dumb ass will acknowledge that I'm right, or disingenuously lie your ass off to avoid answering the questions that will prove it.
My family is a bunch of soldiers and cops too yet truckers are taking freedom back from government. Law enforcement and military shit in the same pot as politicians. Nothing like a coward with a badge pushing compliance for the jew.
And you're brother is a multiple felon just like virtually every other cop on the force.
And while every cop you know might hate the mandates, if you were to get busted for violating a mandate and you fuck up your parole, you're brother, and every cop you know will bust down your door at 3am, and treat you just like a nigger for it.
So your brother chases down criminals on my tax dollars because they did away with PR bonds? I have to pay his wage because a very effective privatized system went away do to state greed?
I've chased parole violating assholes through multiple states unlike your brother. Camped out in front of a shit hole trailer park in the ghetto of nowhere on my tenth cup of coffee waiting to stuff him in the back with cuffs. Your brother is bound by juristiction and gives up when someone jumps state.
Cry all you want but you can't convince me that my tax dollars are well spent paying your brother to wrangle up assholes instead of privatized bondsmen.
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