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You may be right.
The smokes were a bitch to quit but just no allowing myself the option worked. Took about three months before it was easy and about a year before it was automatic.
Meth was a motherfucker too but again, not giving myself any other option was what did it. It's been 20+ years and I still get a feen for some go-go from time to time though it is so infrequent now I can't remember the last time.
In both cases though I had something I wanted more. My wife, who wouldn't have me if I was going to be a junky, and I wouldn't have her if we didn't quit the cigs because she had a collapsed lung at the time.
Booze I quit because of two things, having the shakes when I didn't have a drink was shitty and, I hate puking.
>because the effect of alcohol on them and/or their (psychological) relationship to the bottle, is from an entire different world from yours
I've been in that world. I left it but, I do have to stay vigilant that I don't land there again through the same old methods or new ones. (caffeine is getting to be a problem now)
No offence, and I'm not saying you are wrong, but this sounds like an excuse. Don't allow yourself to be "different". Don't allow ANY other option REAL or imagined. You are in full control of that you think and do. You can overcome pain, fear, cold, hot, hate, love, disgust, etc. It is not easy. It is not quick. It can sometimes cause real harm but, it can cause real good too.
There are guys, it's the casino
Me the casino I don't give a shit, it's just a glorified collection of lame games to me but for some people, it's a hill worth dying on
Well that's the difference between true alcoholics and "casuals". True alcoholics they go as far as drinking the fucken eau de cologne for lack of better option, it's pathological, it's the realm of batshit insane, it's something you or I can't even start to comprehend
One true alcoholic...like true communism...so rare it's like a fucking unicorn.
So tell us oh wise one true alcoholic that judges and gate keeps, how have you come to the scientific conclusion there are true alcoholics and "casuals"?
It sounds like you are just making excuses for not busting a nut to go for it before...like Numbers said, just do it.
Previous smoker, quit for 22 years...was a BIAYATCH to quit, but I would be dead if I didn't. Previously did all sorts of drugs and just quit because I decided I was done...believe it or not smoking was harder to quit. I still crave a cigarette, but not drugs. Guess what, no 12 steps....just don't smoke.
I'm not an alcoholic, I've known alcoholics...
Alcohol to me, it's a limited hangout, like I'm bored why not... For lack of better option. Now the repeat doesn't work on me, it makes me want to just stop like too much of the same
There are people they can't conceive life without a drink, me it's like life without riding a bike for instance... Well, it's not going to change my world
"tell us"
Why do you need to hide behind an imaginary collective, there? To give yourself the importance that you don't have lol?
Rhetorical question...
Trust me, we're not rare. You can find the AA big book for free online, and there are large sections that go into great depth explaining the difference between alcoholics and non-alcoholics.
Like OK was saying - It's a kind of insanity. I've worked whole 10 hour shifts while going through alcohol withdrawal, only to repeat the same process again while telling myself I wasn't going to. If you don't get it, good for you. The majority of people who drink won't ever have to understand.
I'd just ask you to be more gracious than to fling shit at people going through something you don't understand.
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