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It's kind of amazing to me, how long some people will stay miserable rather than do the steps.

"Bravo on the willpower, but you must hate life."

It's kind of amazing to me, how long some people will stay miserable rather than do the steps. "Bravo on the willpower, but you must hate life."

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Not everyone can be an alcoholic, even if you want to be an alchoholic, if you aren't one there's a point at which it's going to be too much to bear, like eating too much sausage every day for a month at some point just the smell is enough to not want. Real alcoholics it's different even if they suffer from it they continue, because the effect of alcohol on them and/or their (psychological) relationship to the bottle, is from an entire different world from yours

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You may be right.

The smokes were a bitch to quit but just no allowing myself the option worked. Took about three months before it was easy and about a year before it was automatic.

Meth was a motherfucker too but again, not giving myself any other option was what did it. It's been 20+ years and I still get a feen for some go-go from time to time though it is so infrequent now I can't remember the last time.

In both cases though I had something I wanted more. My wife, who wouldn't have me if I was going to be a junky, and I wouldn't have her if we didn't quit the cigs because she had a collapsed lung at the time.

Booze I quit because of two things, having the shakes when I didn't have a drink was shitty and, I hate puking.

>because the effect of alcohol on them and/or their (psychological) relationship to the bottle, is from an entire different world from yours

I've been in that world. I left it but, I do have to stay vigilant that I don't land there again through the same old methods or new ones. (caffeine is getting to be a problem now)

No offence, and I'm not saying you are wrong, but this sounds like an excuse. Don't allow yourself to be "different". Don't allow ANY other option REAL or imagined. You are in full control of that you think and do. You can overcome pain, fear, cold, hot, hate, love, disgust, etc. It is not easy. It is not quick. It can sometimes cause real harm but, it can cause real good too.

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There are guys, it's the casino

Me the casino I don't give a shit, it's just a glorified collection of lame games to me but for some people, it's a hill worth dying on

Well that's the difference between true alcoholics and "casuals". True alcoholics they go as far as drinking the fucken eau de cologne for lack of better option, it's pathological, it's the realm of batshit insane, it's something you or I can't even start to comprehend

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One true alcoholic...like true communism...so rare it's like a fucking unicorn.

So tell us oh wise one true alcoholic that judges and gate keeps, how have you come to the scientific conclusion there are true alcoholics and "casuals"?

It sounds like you are just making excuses for not busting a nut to go for it before...like Numbers said, just do it.

Previous smoker, quit for 22 years...was a BIAYATCH to quit, but I would be dead if I didn't. Previously did all sorts of drugs and just quit because I decided I was done...believe it or not smoking was harder to quit. I still crave a cigarette, but not drugs. Guess what, no 12 steps....just don't smoke.