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It's kind of amazing to me, how long some people will stay miserable rather than do the steps.

"Bravo on the willpower, but you must hate life."

It's kind of amazing to me, how long some people will stay miserable rather than do the steps. "Bravo on the willpower, but you must hate life."

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[–] • 2 pts

It is self control and Will. You have it, or you do not.

[–] • 4 pts

I guess maybe the joke is kind of "Inside baseball." Most real alcoholics have personal issues that they solve with alcohol, and eventually develop a physical dependence on it.

Getting physically sober is good and has to happen, but if a person stops there, doesn't address the underlying issues, fails to develop a relationship with some sort of God (usually by doing the step work), it's a huge struggle and they tend to relapse.

"I'm sober, but I'm miserable" - "Yeah, because you haven't done the work."

[–] • 1 pt

Mans 'addictions' are HUMAN. You are either strong enough to control it or Limit it, or you are not. Your idea of 'alcoholics' sounds like my sister. She demeans my 'alcoholic' father, who worked hard every day to raise four children for drinking AT HOME. His 'issue' was, He KILLED enough MEN in WWII to be awarded several stars.

[–] • 3 pts

Just like what the jews planned.

No more brother’s wars!

[–] • 2 pts

You must be under 30 years old

You start with the premise that we're all equal in front of alcohol, you think of humans as if they were just another iteration of yourself essentially

[–] • 2 pts

Most people have no problem drinking responsibly or stopping if they should, and I don't care that nonalcoholic people drink.

I just disagree that it's a willpower thing for actual alcoholics. At least not willpower in general - just that specific issue.

Sounds like your father's not a problem drinker - just someone who drinks. And if he killed people in WW2, he's probably 100 years old and should be able to drink if he wants to.