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It's kind of amazing to me, how long some people will stay miserable rather than do the steps.

"Bravo on the willpower, but you must hate life."

It's kind of amazing to me, how long some people will stay miserable rather than do the steps. "Bravo on the willpower, but you must hate life."

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[–] • 5 pts 1y

I'm not an alcoholic or an addict, yet I find myself in this very situation. Is there a "putting up with everyone else's bullshit anonymous"?

Seriously though, if I ever felt like drink or drugs were something that I like too much, or was causing even the slightest problem. I would say no to that want/urge verbally, out loud, even when I was alone. The whole time telling myself the more I say no the easier it will be to say no. I never give myself any other option, there is no scenario that no is not the answer. It isn't easy, but for me at least following these rules has worked.

[–] • 1 pt 1y (edited 1y)

Not everyone can be an alcoholic, even if you want to be an alchoholic, if you aren't one there's a point at which it's going to be too much to bear, like eating too much sausage every day for a month at some point just the smell is enough to not want. Real alcoholics it's different even if they suffer from it they continue, because the effect of alcohol on them and/or their (psychological) relationship to the bottle, is from an entire different world from yours

[–] • 1 pt 1y

You may be right.

The smokes were a bitch to quit but just no allowing myself the option worked. Took about three months before it was easy and about a year before it was automatic.

Meth was a motherfucker too but again, not giving myself any other option was what did it. It's been 20+ years and I still get a feen for some go-go from time to time though it is so infrequent now I can't remember the last time.

In both cases though I had something I wanted more. My wife, who wouldn't have me if I was going to be a junky, and I wouldn't have her if we didn't quit the cigs because she had a collapsed lung at the time.

Booze I quit because of two things, having the shakes when I didn't have a drink was shitty and, I hate puking.

>because the effect of alcohol on them and/or their (psychological) relationship to the bottle, is from an entire different world from yours

I've been in that world. I left it but, I do have to stay vigilant that I don't land there again through the same old methods or new ones. (caffeine is getting to be a problem now)

No offence, and I'm not saying you are wrong, but this sounds like an excuse. Don't allow yourself to be "different". Don't allow ANY other option REAL or imagined. You are in full control of that you think and do. You can overcome pain, fear, cold, hot, hate, love, disgust, etc. It is not easy. It is not quick. It can sometimes cause real harm but, it can cause real good too.

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[–] • 1 pt 1y

There are guys, it's the casino

Me the casino I don't give a shit, it's just a glorified collection of lame games to me but for some people, it's a hill worth dying on

Well that's the difference between true alcoholics and "casuals". True alcoholics they go as far as drinking the fucken eau de cologne for lack of better option, it's pathological, it's the realm of batshit insane, it's something you or I can't even start to comprehend

[–] • 2 pts 1y

I still can’t believe they replaced him with a sheboon.

[–] • 3 pts 1y (edited 1y)

They did and they'll do more and they'll never stop https://youtu.be/Hzh9koy7b1E?t=67

Now that's like being a fish swimming with bigger fishes in a pond, or with some invasive detrimental species, bacteria or whatever

Thing is, we aren't fishes, fishes they have no choice they can't really adapt, us we can....

Jews are nothing new to the western man, it's just that after wwII, the average western man started to suffer from amnesia about the jews essentially, like some sort of bad hangover after a car crash. One because many western men died so that's factual memory loss by the millions, two because nobody wanted to talk about it anymore, just like after a party that went too far nobody wants to talk about it anymore... And also because the post war narrative started with "moustache man never again"

But really, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_emancipation

I mean that's a wiki entry. If they there's such a thing as "jewish emancipation" in western history, it's precisely because they weren't "emancipated" before... Which is an euphemism to say that there was a policy of containment all over europe when it comes to jews... For quite a prolonged period of time... For a reason...

It's like containing demons in hell, it's for a reason it's not just for the sake of it...

[–] • 0 pt 1y

I'll be damned, a moment of clarity and an actual good comment instead of the usual "funny mustache man bad". Have my updoot dude.

[–] • 1 pt 1y

Mustache man fucked up the moment he invaded neighboring nations

He would have kept to himself like the spanish moustache man did his legacy wouldn't be a pile of shit

[–] • 2 pts 1y

It is self control and Will. You have it, or you do not.

[–] • 4 pts 1y

I guess maybe the joke is kind of "Inside baseball." Most real alcoholics have personal issues that they solve with alcohol, and eventually develop a physical dependence on it.

Getting physically sober is good and has to happen, but if a person stops there, doesn't address the underlying issues, fails to develop a relationship with some sort of God (usually by doing the step work), it's a huge struggle and they tend to relapse.

"I'm sober, but I'm miserable" - "Yeah, because you haven't done the work."

[–] • 1 pt 1y

Mans 'addictions' are HUMAN. You are either strong enough to control it or Limit it, or you are not. Your idea of 'alcoholics' sounds like my sister. She demeans my 'alcoholic' father, who worked hard every day to raise four children for drinking AT HOME. His 'issue' was, He KILLED enough MEN in WWII to be awarded several stars.

[–] • 3 pts 1y

Just like what the jews planned.

No more brother’s wars!

[–] • 2 pts 1y

You must be under 30 years old

You start with the premise that we're all equal in front of alcohol, you think of humans as if they were just another iteration of yourself essentially

[–] • 2 pts 1y

Most people have no problem drinking responsibly or stopping if they should, and I don't care that nonalcoholic people drink.

I just disagree that it's a willpower thing for actual alcoholics. At least not willpower in general - just that specific issue.

Sounds like your father's not a problem drinker - just someone who drinks. And if he killed people in WW2, he's probably 100 years old and should be able to drink if he wants to.

[–] • 1 pt 1y

I fucking hate AA meetings. It seems to me its a cult more or less. Mostly everyone I saw at those meetings were morbidly obese chain smokers. Like fucking great you're not a drunk anymore but you're gonna die of a heart attack or diabetes within 5 years. Id rather be a drunk than some pathetic fuck whining and repeating gay slogans in some dank ass church basement for the rest of my life.

[–] • 0 pt 1y

That pretty well describes the first one I went to, except you can't smoke indoors anymore. Thankfully I found other better ones in the area.

If you need it, don't be dissuaded by one shitty meeting - Find another one.

[–] • 0 pt 1y

Oh.. I've been to about 45 meetings.