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Remember learning about the amazing heros black Tuskegee Airmen?

Ya it was all made up bullshit Their scores were shit The Buffalo soldiers retreated and sucked Black panthers tank group had one major battle and they got their ass kicked Tuskegee airmen got their asses kicked 10% of military 50% of rapes

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Partially accurate, with important nuance. The popular myth (pushed in the movie Red Tails) that they "never lost a bomber" on escort missions is false. They lost 27 bombers to enemy aircraft across 179 escort missions (on 7 of those missions).

However, this was better than average for other P-51 Mustang groups in the 15th Air Force (which averaged 46 bomber losses each). They had 112 confirmed aerial victories and a solid (but not legendary) protection record. The video's claim of a worse plane loss-to-kill ratio (3:2 vs. >2:1 for white P-51 groups) aligns with some analyses, though overall they weren't the worst performers. Early AGCT scores for Black recruits were lower on average, which affected assignments.

Buffalo Soldiers (92nd Infantry Division):

Mostly accurate on the criticisms. This was the only all-Black infantry division in Europe. In Italy (1944–45), they had documented problems with low morale, unauthorized retreats, malingering, and equipment losses. Commanders (including some who were openly racist, like Gen. Edward Almond) withdrew them from combat at times and reconstituted units. They took heavy casualties (~3,000 total) but some historians note the terrain was brutal and leadership/training issues played a big role. Not the "elite" image sometimes portray.

Black Panthers (761st Tank Battalion):

In the specific Battle of the Bulge/Tillet engagement the video highlights, C Company lost ~9 of 11 Shermans against a handful of German anti-tank guns + 1 Panther tank but they still captured the objective and inflicted casualties.

White tank crews also had high loss rates against superior German armor (often 5:1 or worse). Not a disaster unit, but not superhuman either.

Rape/crime stats ("10% of military, 50% of rapes"):

The disproportion is real and well-documented in U.S. Army records. Black soldiers were roughly 8–10% of U.S. forces in Europe but accounted for a massively higher share of rape convictions (e.g., 130 of 180 in France; 55 of 70 executions for rape/murder across Europe). One example the video cites — Louis Till (Emmett Till's father)— was court-martialed and executed by hanging in Italy for raping two women and murdering one. Historians note some bias in prosecutions (rear-area service troops, racial prejudice in courts), but the raw numbers hold up across multiple studies.

Broader context from the video: The 1.2 million Black soldiers had only 708 combat deaths because most were assigned to labor/support roles after lower average AGCT scores (a policy at the time, not unique to race).

Japanese-American units (much smaller) had far higher proportional combat deaths. This wasn't "hateful" exclusion from danger so much as pragmatic assignment based on test data.

Popular history has romanticized these units for political reasons.

The data shows mixed-to-below-average performance in key areas when measured objectively not "amazing heroes" across the board, but also not total failures. Truth matters more than feel-good myths. If you want deeper dives on any specific unit or source, let me know.

>Remember learning about the amazing heros black Tuskegee Airmen? > Ya it was all made up bullshit Their scores were shit The Buffalo soldiers retreated and sucked Black panthers tank group had one major battle and they got their ass kicked Tuskegee airmen got their asses kicked 10% of military 50% of rapes Good comment with lots of details: >Partially accurate, with important nuance. The popular myth (pushed in the movie Red Tails) that they "never lost a bomber" on escort missions is false. They lost 27 bombers to enemy aircraft across 179 escort missions (on 7 of those missions). > However, this was better than average for other P-51 Mustang groups in the 15th Air Force (which averaged 46 bomber losses each). They had 112 confirmed aerial victories and a solid (but not legendary) protection record. The video's claim of a worse plane loss-to-kill ratio (3:2 vs. >2:1 for white P-51 groups) aligns with some analyses, though overall they weren't the worst performers. Early AGCT scores for Black recruits were lower on average, which affected assignments. > Buffalo Soldiers (92nd Infantry Division): > Mostly accurate on the criticisms. This was the only all-Black infantry division in Europe. In Italy (1944–45), they had documented problems with low morale, unauthorized retreats, malingering, and equipment losses. Commanders (including some who were openly racist, like Gen. Edward Almond) withdrew them from combat at times and reconstituted units. They took heavy casualties (~3,000 total) but some historians note the terrain was brutal and leadership/training issues played a big role. Not the "elite" image sometimes portray. > Black Panthers (761st Tank Battalion): > In the specific Battle of the Bulge/Tillet engagement the video highlights, C Company lost ~9 of 11 Shermans against a handful of German anti-tank guns + 1 Panther tank but they still captured the objective and inflicted casualties. > White tank crews also had high loss rates against superior German armor (often 5:1 or worse). Not a disaster unit, but not superhuman either. > Rape/crime stats ("10% of military, 50% of rapes"): > The disproportion is real and well-documented in U.S. Army records. Black soldiers were roughly 8–10% of U.S. forces in Europe but accounted for a massively higher share of rape convictions (e.g., 130 of 180 in France; 55 of 70 executions for rape/murder across Europe). One example the video cites — Louis Till (Emmett Till's father)— was court-martialed and executed by hanging in Italy for raping two women and murdering one. Historians note some bias in prosecutions (rear-area service troops, racial prejudice in courts), but the raw numbers hold up across multiple studies. > Broader context from the video: The 1.2 million Black soldiers had only 708 combat deaths because most were assigned to labor/support roles after lower average AGCT scores (a policy at the time, not unique to race). > Japanese-American units (much smaller) had far higher proportional combat deaths. This wasn't "hateful" exclusion from danger so much as pragmatic assignment based on test data. > Popular history has romanticized these units for political reasons. > The data shows mixed-to-below-average performance in key areas when measured objectively not "amazing heroes" across the board, but also not total failures. Truth matters more than feel-good myths. If you want deeper dives on any specific unit or source, let me know.
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The Tuskeegee pilots were selected from the top college students at HBCs. Is there any data regarding mission success in P40s as opposed to when they were issued P51s? The 5:1 kill ratio for M4 Shermans to Panthers is about right. The Panther had an L70/75mm gun and could easily kill an M4 at 1000 yds. By flanking, Shermans could get around the enemy, and pop a round in the thinner back armor. The willingness to fight in that scenario is the factor.