Yes, those are good but most people can't do the elbow thing and hitting the knee can be tricky. You have to know what kind of punch it is, etc. I always tell whoever it is to go ahead and hit me and make fun of them. My favorite thing to do is say, "you look like you're about to throw that right hand, trying to get that courage up, you scared", then they get all self conscious and don't want to do it. lol When I was training all kinds of guys would come into spar and tee off on you, you see how bad they are and that just breeds confidence. Really, if people aren't boxing, I don't know what they think they're doing with their lives. Trying to be all "non-violent", pussy ass and sheeeit, that don't work. lol