Its only seedy here because the truth lurks beneath the forum sliding and aggravated rabble-rousers. Because where censorship won't work, bad info injection from same-team manipulators has to be the method. Its a badge of legitimacy. The trick is to learn to use ultimate pragmatic discernment. You may want something to be right, it may be partially true, but keep doubting and looking for pieces. Speaking of which, I should probably disengage from arguing with a clear race-baiting shill. But its kinda fun... :)