So the baker has to bake the cake now?
So the baker has to bake the cake now?
A complete waste of time... everyone that has tried has failed, because there is no requirement to provide service to anyone you don't want on your platform.
A complete waste of time... everyone that has tried has failed, because there is no requirement to provide service to anyone you don't want on your platform.
They can get money at least. It's not the same as a free service, where they can arbitrarily enforce terms of service and you have no damages to claim. Of course it will come down to the details of the contract between Parler and AWS. Hopefully it wasn't too one sided. I suspect, however, that Parler was paying Amazon a lot of money, which means it's not nearly as easy for Amazon to say they owe nothing to Parler.
They can get money at least. It's not the same as a free service, where they can arbitrarily enforce terms of service and you have no damages to claim. Of course it will come down to the details of the contract between Parler and AWS. Hopefully it wasn't too one sided. I suspect, however, that Parler was paying Amazon a lot of money, which means it's not nearly as easy for Amazon to say they owe nothing to Parler.
The problem people have faced is that they have to prove that they weren't violating the terms of service. Usually, the terms of service are overly broad, vague and arbitrary and since you (the customer) agreed to them, it is difficult to prove that you were in compliance. That is why companies that have billions to spend on lawyers always win.
The problem people have faced is that they have to prove that they weren't violating the terms of service. Usually, the terms of service are overly broad, vague and arbitrary and since you (the customer) agreed to them, it is difficult to prove that you were in compliance. That is why companies that have billions to spend on lawyers always win.
If you sign up for a ToS that's the same as what a consumer gets for free off of, say, Reddit then yeah you don't have much grounds. I can't see why a business of any scale that's paying for service would put up with that. It sounded like, in fact, Parler had a stipulation with Amazon that they get 30 days' notice. I have no idea of the details. You notice Parler is suing, so they probably have some idea what they are doing.
Basically, if you pay them, you have some rights. If you are getting something for free, you don't.
If you sign up for a ToS that's the same as what a consumer gets for free off of, say, Reddit then yeah you don't have much grounds. I can't see why a business of any scale that's paying for service would put up with that. It sounded like, in fact, Parler had a stipulation with Amazon that they get 30 days' notice. I have no idea of the details. You notice Parler is suing, so they probably have some idea what they are doing.
Basically, if you pay them, you have some rights. If you are getting something for free, you don't.
It's the fault of parler to use AWS at first place.
It's the fault of parler to use AWS at first place.
Agreed. I don't feel sorry for any tech company that fails in any way shape or form (including legally) if they bought into the cloud bullshit. They fucked up and now they are paying the price.
Agreed. I don't feel sorry for any tech company that fails in any way shape or form (including legally) if they bought into the cloud bullshit. They fucked up and now they are paying the price.
I hope they squeeze amazon for billions; but of course only lawyers will win.
I hope they squeeze amazon for billions; but of course only lawyers will win.
My guess would be that Amazon settles. The fact that Parler mentioned they had 30 days means they must have a deal. Amazon knew when they chose to terminate with less notice that they were in violation, probably knowing that they would have to pay for that and not caring. If they drag it out, then yes, truly only the lawyers will win. I just don't see Amazon hurting themselves just on the principle of the thing, especially if the whole idea in canceling was to get good publicity. In that case, they will want to keep the settlement secret.
My guess would be that Amazon settles. The fact that Parler mentioned they had 30 days means they must have a deal. Amazon knew when they chose to terminate with less notice that they were in violation, probably knowing that they would have to pay for that and not caring. If they drag it out, then yes, truly only the lawyers will win. I just don't see Amazon hurting themselves just on the principle of the thing, especially if the whole idea in canceling was to get good publicity. In that case, they will want to keep the settlement secret.
Pff, kek, "good publicity".
I was already avoiding amazon, but would still cheat here and there and buy little bullshit things that are just so easy to buy from them... NO MORE! I am actively shutting down everything AWS that I can at work right now, in fact, and calling meetings with other teams we support to shut down even more where possible. Fuck amazon right in the pussy.
And I was never even a parler fan; it's just the principle of the thing.
Pff, kek, "good publicity".
I was already avoiding amazon, but would still cheat here and there and buy little bullshit things that are just so easy to buy from them... NO MORE! I am actively shutting down everything AWS that I can at work right now, in fact, and calling meetings with other teams we support to shut down even more where possible. Fuck amazon right in the pussy.
And I was never even a parler fan; it's just the principle of the thing.
I would say that is reasonable. Anybody who is in the business of reproducing what a user put into a form should be wary. Amazon is unlikely to stop with Parler if they get away with it. You know how SJWs are.
What I'm trying to figure out is if businesses let Amazon do whatever they want in the first place, and why In other words: Why would a customer who is paying money to Amazon agree to be shut down arbitrarily and with little notice? Did anyone really sit there and think that Amazon would never abuse the right to do that?
I would say that is reasonable. Anybody who is in the business of reproducing what a user put into a form should be wary. Amazon is unlikely to stop with Parler if they get away with it. You know how SJWs are.
What I'm trying to figure out is if businesses let Amazon do whatever they want in the first place, and why In other words: Why would a customer who is paying money to Amazon agree to be shut down arbitrarily and with little notice? Did anyone really sit there and think that Amazon would never abuse the right to do that?
And the suing begins... The other money laundering vehicle... The Courts..
And the suing begins... The other money laundering vehicle... The Courts..
Any tech guys here care to explain why Parler doesn't just have their own web hosting? Does it cost that much to set it up?
Any tech guys here care to explain why Parler doesn't just have their own web hosting? Does it cost that much to set it up?
They took the easy way out. They built it in AWS to avoid the infrastructure costs and to save programming time by using the various AWS services for storage, application messaging, database and elastic scaling. They are screwed now because they built Parler around AWS-specific technologies and will need to re-architect and re-code everything to convert to another platform, even if it is one they control. They locked-in to a single vendor and it bit them in the ass. This is why companies should avoid the cloud platforms.
They took the easy way out. They built it in AWS to avoid the infrastructure costs and to save programming time by using the various AWS services for storage, application messaging, database and elastic scaling. They are screwed now because they built Parler around AWS-specific technologies and will need to re-architect and re-code everything to convert to another platform, even if it is one they control. They locked-in to a single vendor and it bit them in the ass. This is why companies should avoid the cloud platforms.
everyone knows you never make the product dependent like this, you use adapters this way you can swap out the database/messaging without affecting the calls from the app. This is literally why the adapter and proxy patterns exist
everyone knows you never make the product dependent like this, you use adapters this way you can swap out the database/messaging without affecting the calls from the app. This is literally why the adapter and proxy patterns exist
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