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Yeah, why would you want to live an afterlife where you seem to be forced to watch your daughter, and your daughter's daughter, doing sexual things... which they inevitably will do, even if it's with a husband. My point is the criticism of the actual belief or phrase is valid.

If your sole motivation for not doing degenerate things is because you believe someone is watching you disapprovingly, then that's a pretty shit reason, it will collapse in on itself pretty easily. Far better to be motivated by reasoning through consequence.

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Why not just through integrity and values?

[–] [deleted] 0 pt (edited )

Integrity is remaining loyal to principles, so if it was never instilled within you as a child, then what? Values are what you reach by pondering & reasoning. If you reach those values superficially, like because of peer pressure, are you going to be more loyal to them than if you came to them through making your own conclusions?

I wouldn't say everyone has the same capacity for reasoning such things, so it's better for most to simply have integrity for their ancestors values and that's at least something.

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While I agree that you have outlined those 2 quite accurately, I still think they're the better methods to guiding yourself through life.

Consequence based guidance is purely a authoritarian perspective. While it definitely has its place in a polite and just society, it is balance of the collective.