If you're arguing over details like this with anyone then you've already lost. 1) The death stats are being manipulated. The total deaths are not significantly greater than previous years. We shut down global economies, destroyed millions of lives financially and removed all remaing freedoms and liberties of the common people all over an outright fabrication. We were told we had to in order to avoid death tolls in the millions, it didn't come true not because we did what we did, but rather because it was all an overblown fabrication with a clear agenda behind it all. Anyone who doesn't get this is either in on it or incredibly stupid, don't waste your time talking to them further. Frankly they should both be in jail, though those who are in on it should be shot. 2) The vaccine and mask mandates constitute a violation of civil and medical law. Anyone with medical training or certification of any kind declares their credentials void and useless if they support this in any way. Stop treating them like they have any professional opinions on any of this, they don't, they think masks stop a virus and call themselves doctors, they may as well be janitors or homeless drug addicts. 3) Anyone who has administered a vaccine to anyone is guilty of medical malpractice and has violated the Nuremberg code and the Hippocratic oath, stop listening to them. They're criminals and frauds. Allowing them to continue to maim and injure others under false pretenses is a crime aswell and I hope justice is also brought to those who support and protect the criminals. When they tell you what to think, or when they want to debate something. Just tell them they're not a doctor/nurse/whatever. They don't know shit, tell them to shut the fuck up. Stop reacting and start getting on the offensive. Where are the medical malpractice lawsuits? Can we start compiling lists of names? How many people does a doctor have to kill before you all start to treat them like the murderer that they are?