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Lately a lot rightwingers have been banned/demonetized on youtube.

  • People on the right are outraged and claim it is censorship and 'an attack on free speech'.

  • People on the left are in some cases applauding this decision and claim that youtube is a private business and can do what it wants.

A couple of years ago there was much fuss about a baker who refused to bake custom cake for a gay couple.

  • People on the left were outraged and said it was homophobic and that the baker should be forced to bale the cake.

  • People on the right were claiming that the baker is a private business and can do what he wants.

I am tired of this kind of hypocrisy on all sides. Both sides have lost any credibility in my view. Changing your principles because it suits your agenda annoys the shit out of me.

Disclaimer: I am not arguing for any of these positions. So don't come at me for being 'anti free speech' or 'homophobic'. My point is the hypocrisy and the lack of principles in the current political debate.

EDIT:

Thank you all! I understand the youtube situation better now. I still think it's the same thing, only youtube needs to be transparent about its intentions.

What are your thoughts on this?

>Lately a lot rightwingers have been banned/demonetized on youtube. > >* People on the right are outraged and claim it is censorship and 'an attack on free speech'. > >* People on the left are in some cases applauding this decision and claim that youtube is a private business and can do what it wants. > A couple of years ago there was much fuss about a baker who refused to bake custom cake for a gay couple. >* People on the left were outraged and said it was homophobic and that the baker should be forced to bale the cake. > >* People on the right were claiming that the baker is a private business and can do what he wants. > I am tired of this kind of hypocrisy on all sides. Both sides have lost any credibility in my view. Changing your principles because it suits your agenda annoys the shit out of me. > Disclaimer: I am not arguing for any of these positions. So don't come at me for being 'anti free speech' or 'homophobic'. My point is the hypocrisy and the lack of principles in the current political debate. > EDIT: > Thank you all! I understand the youtube situation better now. I still think it's the same thing, only youtube needs to be transparent about its intentions. What are your thoughts on this?

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This is a long reply, so TL;DR redditors are idiots and the two situations are fundamentally different.

The problem with the comparison is that it starts from the assumption providing a platform on the internet is essentially the same as baking a cake. Once you've granted that, the logic of the principle suggests either banning conservatives is wrong or it's okay not to bake personalized cakes for perverted functions. But it is far from clear they are the same. And if they gave fundamental differences, then application of a principle may very well yield different results.

The trick in antitrust law is defining the market. When Office Max and Staples wanted to merge, they argued the market was a broad one representing every place people could or did shop for office supplies. So it included Walmart, Amazon and lots of other places. Therefore the merger would not grant them monopoly power. The government disagreed, said the market was simply for office supply superstores, and blocked the merger. Staples then went bankrupt so the supposed "competition" to benefit consumers the government was trying to preserve was lost anyway.

The thing about youtube, reddit, etc, is that they are supplying an infrastructure. They are not crafting the messages of their users. They also initially hold themselves out as platforms for everyone before they start their censorship.

Contrast that to a baker (which is a form of artistry) who is not in the business of giving the public access to his kitchen to make their own cakes. He is in the business of physically himself creating a form of edible artwork. The complaint has never been that he won't sell food to faggots. It's that he won't personally craft an expressive product with a message he finds repugnant.

Youtube banning conservatives and a baker refusing to make a faggot's wedding cake are simply nowhere close to analogous. So the principle which the redditors think is so clever just doesn't apply the way they want.