The Old Order v. The New Order | Poal: Say what you want.

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The Old Order - Mutual Submission

(1) Women are sociologically 'protected' by the male husband. This includes protection both physically (marginal isolation) and psychologically (in terms of the male's moral authority).

(2) The primary institution for the pairing of marriage-age men and women is the Church, or other Church-affiliated proximal and community-based social networks.

(3) The Church is the prosocial nexus for the meeting of people with shared norms, values, and ritual commitments. These commitments act as a further means to strengthen in-group obligations and cohesion. Religious beliefs in transcendent moral law form the glue of social trust.

(4) The male-only nature of the workplace allows for regular kinds of competition, and male disagreeability functions to negotiate hierarchical rules and leadership decisions. When competition is primarily merit-based, hierarchies automatically segregate into the most effective bargaining units, maintaining the productive antagonism between labor and employers. A useful flow of energy proceeds through the system and is embedded in superior, industrious outcomes.

(5) Women are functionally separated and assume active roles within the domicile, focusing on activities such as child-rearing and nurturing, in addition to general hygienic and logistical activities such as food-prep, list-making, organization and household planning. Her fulfillment of responsibilities in this domain relieves the male in terms of his ability to focus on competing/performing maximally in the workplace, serving the financial interests of his family. This separation of respective powers ensures that each domain (work and home) receive maximal care.

(6) Absence of women in labor economies keeps the wages for male workers high, while a situation favoring progressive earning potential exists due to the dynamic equilibrium resulting from male-male competition. It is recognized that female personality traits, such as agreeability, tend to favor wage stasis and stagnation, largely because the regular antagonism of labor toward the employer is diminished.

(7) The overall paradigm established per the Old Order parallels the life-rehearsal witnessed in the school system. Males set out amongst themselves to play sports in which they compete to gain the favor of women. The separation of their respective activities is responsible for the 'voltage potential' that drives energy through the entire ecosystem. Man wants to play well enough for woman to wear his jersey, and she wants to be chosen by the apple of her eye.

The New Order - Liberation

(1) Women are not protected by the male husband. They are liberated from the physical islands of the domicile and also psychologically from his moral authority. They move freely across a multitude of social contexts, submitting themselves to the predominant authority in any public domain, leaving 'North' on her moral compass extricated from her husband's influence.

(2) The primary institution for the pairing of marriage-age women to men is the university or the workplace. New technological means of date-seeking arise to meet the new secular demands of men and women who navigate tenuous professional and personal boundaries.

(3) The Church has ceased to be the predominant social nexus for people to meet, thus, shared norms, values, and ritual commitments cease to play a role in the environment selecting for male-female attraction. Instead, a highly superficial set of criteria for mate selection comes to predominate, largely at the mercy of consumer-cultural trends, and one's ability to construct virtual 'sales pitches' via social media. These fictions and frivolities uncouple people's claims about themselves from their real-world behaviors and personalities.

(4) Women's entrance into the workplace disrupts regular competitive dynamics due to her irreconcilably different mode of competing. Hers is a strategy based largely on reputation-making activities by way of commiserating and gossip through the 'hen house'. The movement away from merit-based outcomes, combined with introduction of her agreeability to authority, causes laborers as a whole to lose cohesion and bargaining power against employers.

(5) The domicile becomes a largely sterile, functional space, consisting in a place for couples to spend their increasingly diminished time outside of work. Children raised in the 'new home' find themselves in little more than a halfway house from which both parents come and go. Houses cease to be the remarkably safe and loving spaces which depend on the presence of a dedicated matriarch.

Culture begins to favor the modern workplace taking on the shallow appearance of home, and employers are incentivized to create workplaces with the 'comforts of home' in order to extract the maximum productivity from employees. No longer is each day structured by the upward trending curve toward the '5 o'clock homecoming', that is, where a family can actively anticipate their reunion at day's end by joining each other for a meal.

Instead of experiencing a personal appreciation for her domestic tasks and the degree of care she has taken toward the home, a wife relegates herself to the uniquely under-appreciating and thankless existence of the male workplace, thereby losing an obvious structure by way of which she could otherwise have derived deep value. She is taken down from the pedestal of the matriarch, and homes diminish to become walls and roofs.

(6) The presence of women in the workforce drives down all wages, acting also like positive feedback on the requirement for more women to enter the workforce - creating a viscous cycle. This drives down the earning potential of the husband. There is simultaneous stagnation in the upward trend of wages. Differences in competitive behaviors with respect to promotion-seeking works to generate workplace tension by highlighting discrepancies between male and female strategies.

(7) The natural 'voltage potential' that existed between men and women in the Old Order is diffused by equality. The game ceases to be a game because everyone in the bleachers has been put on the field of play. At some point, we might expect people to ask, "Why are we even playing?"

If social justice causes legislation and corporate policy to artificially elevate women over men in the workplace, she will come to resent the very males with whom she competes. In terms of her respect, she will be turned against the very men who - being productive and ambitious - were once the objects of her attraction.

Instead, she will find herself attracted to men acting defiantly and outside of the hierarchy completely. We don't simply mean miscreants or criminals (nor do we rule these out), but men who set themselves apart from the hierarchy to which she is now growing accustomed (and bored).

Her natural inclination toward attraction to what she is not (that is, to select players on the field from her seat in the stands) means that she will look elsewhere, for novelty in men that deviates from her norm.

Imagine that in the Old Order the things which attracted women were represented by a smooth curve. Since her new status now causes her to fill up the middle range of society, her 'attraction graph' becomes highly polarized: she will lust for those at the heights of the hierarchy she inhabits, or males deviating from society's rules altogether: athletes, rappers, celebrities, pretty-boy playthings, or even delinquents of the social order living criminal or 'alternative' lifestyles. Her triumph over the productive segments of society will see her chasing wanderlust, and anything she must do to be valued for something other than her income and job title. In fact, the seeming absence of her ability to be valued in ways that gratify her femininity may cause her to pursue adjacent channels for value, and perhaps in the pornographic world of the 21st century, we'd even think this would include porn itself. If the biological world convinces her against her pursuit of feminine value in the home, it shouldn't surprise us that she might seek it elsewhere in the digital world. The woman of the New Order has closed herself off from motherhood and wifedom, leaving by proxy her sexual value as the only universally acceptable means of being woman. I believe that this tendency results from a deep subconscious yearning to be valued in ways that both she and society are cannibalizing.

###The Old Order - Mutual Submission (1) Women are sociologically 'protected' by the male husband. This includes protection both physically (marginal isolation) and psychologically (in terms of the male's moral authority). (2) The primary institution for the pairing of marriage-age men and women is the Church, or other Church-affiliated proximal and community-based social networks. (3) The Church is the prosocial nexus for the meeting of people with shared norms, values, and ritual commitments. These commitments act as a further means to strengthen in-group obligations and cohesion. Religious beliefs in transcendent moral law form the glue of social *trust*. (4) The male-only nature of the workplace allows for regular *kinds* of competition, and male *disagreeability* functions to negotiate hierarchical rules and leadership decisions. When competition is primarily merit-based, hierarchies automatically segregate into the most effective bargaining units, maintaining the productive antagonism between labor and employers. A useful flow of energy proceeds through the system and is embedded in superior, industrious outcomes. (5) Women are functionally separated and assume active roles within the domicile, focusing on activities such as child-rearing and nurturing, in addition to general hygienic and logistical activities such as food-prep, list-making, organization and household planning. Her fulfillment of responsibilities in this domain relieves the male in terms of his ability to focus on competing/performing maximally in the workplace, serving the financial interests of his family. This separation of respective powers ensures that each domain (work and home) receive maximal *care*. (6) Absence of women in labor economies keeps the wages for male workers high, while a situation favoring progressive earning potential exists due to the dynamic equilibrium resulting from male-male competition. It is recognized that female personality traits, such as *agreeability*, tend to favor wage stasis and stagnation, largely because the regular antagonism of labor toward the employer is diminished. (7) The overall paradigm established per the Old Order parallels the life-rehearsal witnessed in the school system. Males set out amongst themselves to play sports in which they compete to gain the favor of women. The separation of their respective activities is responsible for the 'voltage potential' that drives energy through the entire ecosystem. Man wants to play well enough for woman to wear his jersey, and she wants to be chosen by the apple of her eye. ###The New Order - Liberation (1) Women are not protected by the male husband. They are liberated from the physical islands of the domicile and also psychologically from his moral authority. They move freely across a multitude of social contexts, submitting themselves to the predominant authority in any public domain, leaving 'North' on her moral compass extricated from her husband's influence. (2) The primary institution for the pairing of marriage-age women to men is the university or the workplace. New technological means of date-seeking arise to meet the new secular demands of men and women who navigate tenuous professional and personal boundaries. (3) The Church has ceased to be the predominant social nexus for people to meet, thus, shared norms, values, and ritual commitments cease to play a role in the environment selecting for male-female attraction. Instead, a highly superficial set of criteria for mate selection comes to predominate, largely at the mercy of consumer-cultural trends, and one's ability to construct virtual 'sales pitches' via social media. These fictions and frivolities uncouple people's claims about themselves from their real-world behaviors and personalities. (4) Women's entrance into the workplace disrupts regular competitive dynamics due to her irreconcilably different mode of competing. Hers is a strategy based largely on reputation-making activities by way of commiserating and gossip through the 'hen house'. The movement away from merit-based outcomes, combined with introduction of her agreeability to authority, causes laborers as a whole to lose cohesion and bargaining power against employers. (5) The domicile becomes a largely sterile, functional space, consisting in a place for couples to spend their increasingly diminished time outside of work. Children raised in the 'new home' find themselves in little more than a halfway house from which both parents come and go. Houses cease to be the remarkably safe and loving spaces which depend on the presence of a dedicated matriarch. Culture begins to favor the modern workplace taking on the shallow appearance of home, and employers are incentivized to create workplaces with the 'comforts of home' in order to extract the maximum productivity from employees. No longer is each day structured by the upward trending curve toward the '5 o'clock homecoming', that is, where a family can actively anticipate their reunion at day's end by joining each other for a meal. Instead of experiencing a personal appreciation for her domestic tasks and the degree of care she has taken toward the home, a wife relegates herself to the uniquely under-appreciating and thankless existence of the male workplace, thereby losing an obvious structure by way of which she could otherwise have derived deep value. She is taken down from the pedestal of the matriarch, and homes diminish to become walls and roofs. (6) The presence of women in the workforce drives down all wages, acting also like positive feedback on the requirement for more women to enter the workforce - creating a viscous cycle. This drives down the earning potential of the husband. There is simultaneous stagnation in the upward trend of wages. Differences in competitive behaviors with respect to promotion-seeking works to generate workplace tension by highlighting discrepancies between male and female strategies. (7) *The natural 'voltage potential' that existed between men and women in the Old Order is diffused by equality*. The game ceases to be a game because everyone in the bleachers has been put on the field of play. At some point, we might expect people to ask, "Why are we even playing?" --- If social justice causes legislation and corporate policy to artificially elevate women over men in the workplace, she will come to resent the very males with whom she competes. In terms of her respect, she will be turned against the very men who - being productive and ambitious - were once the objects of her attraction. Instead, she will find herself attracted to men acting defiantly and outside of the hierarchy completely. We don't simply mean miscreants or criminals (nor do we rule these out), but men who set themselves apart from the hierarchy to which she is now growing accustomed (and bored). Her natural inclination toward attraction to *what she is not* (that is, *to select players on the field from her seat in the stands*) means that she will look elsewhere, for novelty in men that deviates from her norm. Imagine that in the Old Order the things which attracted women were represented by a smooth curve. Since her new status now causes her to fill up the middle range of society, her 'attraction graph' becomes highly polarized: she will lust for those at the heights of the hierarchy she inhabits, *or* males deviating from society's rules altogether: athletes, rappers, celebrities, pretty-boy playthings, or even delinquents of the social order living criminal or 'alternative' lifestyles. Her triumph over the productive segments of society will see her chasing wanderlust, and *anything* she must do to be valued for something **other than her income and job title**. In fact, the seeming absence of her ability to be valued in ways that gratify her femininity may cause her to pursue adjacent channels for value, and perhaps in the pornographic world of the 21st century, we'd even think this would include porn itself. If the biological world convinces her against her pursuit of feminine value in the home, it shouldn't surprise us that she might seek it elsewhere in the digital world. The woman of the New Order has closed herself off from motherhood and wifedom, leaving by proxy her sexual value as the only universally acceptable means of *being woman*. I believe that this tendency results from a deep subconscious yearning to be valued in ways that both she and society are cannibalizing.

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The pattern of the 50's style housewife was created by a newly rich postwar America emulating the leisure style of the upper class, as well as a bit of inertia from having the productive tasks taken over by machines. Consider when you are tossing clothes into the washing machine that it used to take hours to manually scrub clothes on a washboard; wood stoves required constant tending for a long period; manually sewing or weaving used to be extremely slow, and on and on. You'll notice this when you harvest the garden, and spend hours upon hours processing food, and realize how nice it is to only spend a few bucks for a large pack of frozen veggies. Machines reduce labor.

The problems with that model is that it requires a high degree of social trust, and it requires society to be industrious and stable. For example, if a lot of your food comes from the store rather than your garden and kitchen, you have to trust the food manufacturers to have your health in mind when they cook it, but a glance at the nutrition label will tell you they don't. They put sugar in everything, and advertise negatives as a positive, even the supposed health food brands. A second and even more important example would be public schools. Public schools were never great, but now they've become total indoctrination centers with no redeeming value. The only reason for going to them is economic necessity, cultural inertia, and denial over their true nature. The second criteria, an industrious and stable society, basically refers to a nation living on its own industry, rather than financial wizardry. If the economy isn't grounded in something rational, irrational pursuits take over, like having the largest most fertile agriculture region on the planet importing most of it's food, sending it's factories overseas, and importing labor to do menial tasks while making the best paying jobs be exclusively desk jobs. In that "economy" no one needs to be rational, so of course feel good nonsense will take over the workplace. It's already taken over the world.

So as I see it, the breakdown in family life is more the symptom than the cause of social decay. Amongst the lower classes, women have had to work outside the home for far longer than the middle and upper classes. Yet by far the more socially conservative people have been lower class followed by middle, then upper. In my opinion, it's not bored office women trying to date rappers or join OnlyFans, but instead it's the girl who's gotten 12 years straight of learning that MLK Jr. was the greatest Saint who ever lived (though maybe George Floyd is now) and learning that if she doesn't put out she isn't cool. She's learned from years of bitter childless harpies (teachers) that having children is a trap, and she'd be so much happier if she was a lesbian like them (plus, white kids are bad for the environment, just adopt a negro). Just like computers: garbage in, garbage out.

One thing that's worth remembering is that more of the economic production used to happen on the home scale. Cottage industries, such as weaving, used to be a huge industry during the middle ages. Much of that disappeared during the industrial revolution, and it's progressed ever since. Americans could let it persist longer than Europe because we had a huge continent to settle and a large portion of our population engaged in agriculture. What this meant was that women did indeed work, as did the kids, and the wife was the boss over them. The male sometimes worked outside the home, sometimes at the home, depending on profession and economic circumstances. It was a bit more along the lines of male, high risk high reward, female low risk low reward. The pattern of the 50's style housewife was created by a newly rich postwar America emulating the leisure style of the upper class, as well as a bit of inertia from having the productive tasks taken over by machines. Consider when you are tossing clothes into the washing machine that it used to take hours to manually scrub clothes on a washboard; wood stoves required constant tending for a long period; manually sewing or weaving used to be extremely slow, and on and on. You'll notice this when you harvest the garden, and spend hours upon hours processing food, and realize how nice it is to only spend a few bucks for a large pack of frozen veggies. Machines reduce labor. The problems with that model is that it requires a high degree of social trust, and it requires society to be industrious and stable. For example, if a lot of your food comes from the store rather than your garden and kitchen, you have to trust the food manufacturers to have your health in mind when they cook it, but a glance at the nutrition label will tell you they don't. They put sugar in everything, and advertise negatives as a positive, even the supposed health food brands. A second and even more important example would be public schools. Public schools were never great, but now they've become total indoctrination centers with no redeeming value. The only reason for going to them is economic necessity, cultural inertia, and denial over their true nature. The second criteria, an industrious and stable society, basically refers to a nation living on its own industry, rather than financial wizardry. If the economy isn't grounded in something rational, irrational pursuits take over, like having the largest most fertile agriculture region on the planet importing most of it's food, sending it's factories overseas, and importing labor to do menial tasks while making the best paying jobs be exclusively desk jobs. In that "economy" no one needs to be rational, so of course feel good nonsense will take over the workplace. It's already taken over the world. So as I see it, the breakdown in family life is more the symptom than the cause of social decay. Amongst the lower classes, women have had to work outside the home for far longer than the middle and upper classes. Yet by far the more socially conservative people have been lower class followed by middle, then upper. In my opinion, it's not bored office women trying to date rappers or join OnlyFans, but instead it's the girl who's gotten 12 years straight of learning that MLK Jr. was the greatest Saint who ever lived (though maybe George Floyd is now) and learning that if she doesn't put out she isn't cool. She's learned from years of bitter childless harpies (teachers) that having children is a trap, and she'd be so much happier if she was a lesbian like them (plus, white kids are bad for the environment, just adopt a negro). Just like computers: garbage in, garbage out.

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I appreciate the really great commentary. I'll respond when I get a little bit more time today. You make several important points.

Follow up: Mary Phagan and lots of other young women worked at a pencil factory with a very wealthy and powerful owner. In spite of that, she had no interest in sleeping with him, even though she probably could have earned more in 5 minutes than she did in a month. So her perverted boss withheld her paycheck to lure her in on a Saturday, attempted to rape her, then murdered her. She was 12, as were most of her co-workers. The ADL turned this man into their patron saint, which today calls the shots in much of the education system.

All of these young girls worked outside the home, yet they still were virtuous in much worse circumstances than most people have today. The difference is most went to church, and few went to school.

The Old Order - Mutual Submission

The New Order - Liberation

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