Why? Why is it not a good bit of software?
Because the hardware is built to process and store good and evil not 50 shades of gray. Suboptimal results decreases survival.
You established just a bit earlier in your comment.... ..something that is relative.
What do you mean? I said the brain understands absolutes.
I stated that I dont think moral relativism is good because the push to embrace it is causing cultural upheaval and dysfunction that is not optimal for me or the survival of my people. There is turmoil within my society that I process as evil. Do I have to explain why Im personally invested in my society and my genetic group and my culture surviving?
I suppose that the basis of moral truth is just what ever confers survivability. Of genes and culture. I know that is very cold and mercnary but that is at the root of good and evil, I believe.
The question we are trying to approach is 'What is true?'.
No the question we are trying to approach is ‘did belief in God evolve so your tribe could survive’
We've moved from the principle that we are here to survive for survival's sake to admitting that certain kinds of knowledge cause things to survive 'better'.
No we never did. Sorry dont mean to be difficult but its binary, survive /not survive. I love my genes. I want them all to survive. You and I have some of the same genes. I dont give a fuck about your genes surviving unless they are the ones we have in common. That is not how I literally think but that is how evolution works.
Or is everything relative? - which you've said is not good to believe.
It probably is. Does it really matter if intelligent life or any life exists in the universe? But living systems that choose preservation and replication over death and extinction survive and proliferate so its in my nature to favor survival over extinction. That’s probably the strongest moral imperative around.
But perhaps you think reality actually is relative and that the danger comes from having a true belief about reality.
This is why its not good to believe that everything is relative. If you realize or perhaps maybe suspect that its all pointless and there is no good or evil, its pretty much a recipe for extinction.
Think about the nature of belief with me for a moment. We'd think, from purely evolutionary terms, that belief would evolve to cause us to think certain things in terms of our explanations of reality, and if survival is all that counts, then the beliefs that promote survival ought to be truer. Fire is hot. Ice is cold. If I try to murder my rival, he will try to murder me! Men have penises, and girls have vaginas. We tend to believe things which are true. We think that these things would be true in any possible world like our own, that is, that fire would burn us (or any sufficiently hot thing would burn us). It becomes senseless to call this a relative truth, or worse yet, a false belief that just serves us usefully. If the fact that fire burns us isn't true, then you've at least established one truth - that relativism is true. Yet if relativism is true, you've also established that belief in it would hurt survival - therefore a true belief would hurt us. This is a contradiction. It makes no sense
Maybe its because its 1 am but these paragraphs make no sense.
just because religious belief is prevalent and just because it helps us survive, that they still aren't true.
Snakes are not pure evil. Some are totally harmless. But if you beleive all snakes are evil and you stay the hell away from all of them, it will probably confer survival.
People believe if you cheat on your husband you will burn in hell. Societies that teach that are stable because there is low cheating, less strife between males and some males may go off to war secure in the knowlege that the other guy wont fuck their wives. Successful society.
Are you asking why I dont think people burn in hell for cheating on their husbands? There is zero evidence of that. I can test whether fire is hot. Unless it is in hell.
Im not saying there isnt a rational reason not to cheat on your husband. Im saying the religious justification may not resemble reality. And Im saying the human brain doesnt process reality in a rational accurate way.
I guess its too late. Im mot really following what your saying.
Are you asking why I don't think people burn in hell for cheating on their husbands? There is zero evidence of that.
Insofar far as Christianity purports to be a fully true religion, and there is evidence for the truth of Christianity, then there is evidence for what Christianity teaches being true, and that includes the reality of hell.
Look into the First Vision of Fatima, private revelation validated by the Miracle of the Sun. This is also evidence.
Note that I'm not speaking of proof - something that typically only applies to syllogistic argument and geometry anyway - I'm talking about evidence. Evidence is merely a fact that does suggest the truth of a claim or theory. To suggest there is no evidence of hell is patently absurd.
Christianity claims to be all true + Some of Christianity is true => Therefore all of Christianity is true!
Naw man.
Im not trying to be insulting. But I dont see why I should believe any visions at fatima or anywhere else any more than I should believe the latest Q drop. Lot’s of people have visions. Christians tend to see the Virgin. Other people see space aliens or Lord Shiva. It’s what ever occupies your head.
Damn, she's logic-ing us, Peace! That means we'll actually have to go to work. Smart people are awful.
Helena, I'm working on a response to your comment from above. I need to work through some ideas to clear up those paragraphs you said were confusing. Will post tonight or tomorrow.
(Also, Poal was being screwy about posting this comment. It showed it twice, so I deleted one of them. Then they were both gone. So you might have gotten pinged twice for a similar comment.)
As I said, validated by the Miracle of the Sun.
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