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It would take a large amount of room to completely summarize the evolutionary argument for religious belief. If you're interested to know what the theory consists of, I would highly recommend reading the following paper. It does an excellent job of fully explaining the contemporary understanding of the evolution of religious belief. (If you're a person that denies evolution altogether, forget it for a moment; we'll be granting that it's true for argument's sake.)

https://www2.psych.ubc.ca/~henrich/pdfs/BIOT_a_00018.pdf

If you're like me, you'll find the argument made there extremely compelling. I mean...it's good. There doesn't appear to be a single stone unturned. A rational person, who'd been inclined toward belief prior to reading this paper, could very easily walk away convinced against the proposition that God is real, or that anything in Christianity (or any other religion for that matter) points to something real.

There is, however, a glaring contradiction in this theory's logic. I am not interested here to pick apart the paper in terms of its specific points. If you'd care to do that after reading the paper, we can do that in the comments. I want to attack a specific assumption made by the paper which is given barely any attention, but which is crucial for its thesis to go through.

Essentially, the argument goes that belief in the supernatural, namely God (and all of the associated social effects of this), were the cause of - not just society's survival - but for the evolution of our society's complexity, and even the sophistication of our cultural practices and institutions, including the development of science (by implication). The paper is concerned with showing the combination of factors that caused religious belief to evolve.

But inserted at the tail end of the paper, after a summary of the combination of factors that causes religion to evolve, is the sneaky phrase:

None of these evolved for religion per se.

This is quite literally the only sentence in the paper which even alludes to the underlying assumption on which the whole theory rests.

What this statement truly says, is that: "None of the factors which contributed to the evolution of religious belief did so because religious belief is true. They each represent independent forces, and religion is basically an accident that emerged from them, which just so happened to be super beneficial." In other words, it's not possible that the object of religious belief, God, is true - instead, all of the factors that came together that made you believe in God are themselves what do all of the work of helping you survive reality.

In the highly critical words of Winnie the Pooh: Oh, bother.

Think about this for a moment. The same combination of factors that caused you to believe in God, is also the same set of factors that caused your society to transcend its primitive state and to begin to discover the truth of the universe via the scientific institution. The former is a counterintuitive belief, according to these two researchers, and the latter is not.

One thing the paper stresses is that our 'supernatural beliefs' are counterintuitive, which is to say that belief in God runs contrary to our regular intuitions about the world. Let's be charitable. Let's grant them that.

Yet, what are we to contrast these counterintuitive God beliefs with? Well, the scientist writing the paper implicitly assumes that the beliefs we can trust about the universe would be our scientific ones. Hmm. Situate this in the evolutionary paradigm, in which everything is attempting to balance tradeoffs and costs of new adaptations for survival against an environment that kills us for getting it wrong, regularly.

So our counter-intuitive beliefs in God were the result of a combination of factors that caused society to evolve massive complexity and intelligence, including the ability to finally gain a scientific (apparently intuitive) grasp of the universe, but this same combination of factors didn't evolve because God was true. God was the counterintuitive part, and science was the intuitive (and true) result, and we should think science tells us true things about reality, but the very belief in God that led us there was an irrational accident.

The combination of factors that evolved to produce belief in God didn't "evolve for religious [truth], per se", but they did evolve to lead us to scientific truth, per se?

Based on what? The paper stipulates that belief in the supernatural (God, heaven, hell, etc.) is counterintuitive, but that our regular intuitive ontologies and observations of the world are supposedly something we ought to put actual stock in.

I wonder how well this holds up in 2021. How intuitive is current cosmology? How intuitive is the Big Bang? How intuitive is quantum mechanics? How intuitive is the mathematical concept of infinity? We are told in this paper that the factors which promoted the evolution of belief in God did not do so because God is true, but that they contributed to the increase in intelligence in mankind that did lead us to so-called true knowledge in the sciences.

I'm emphasizing the evolutionary context because the only thing that matters in this context is survival. There are either adaptations which confer greater survivability, or there are spandrels. But the theory is clear that the belief in God was a causal force in the advancement that led to greater knowledge of the universe, and higher survivability. Is this really a case for God being a spandrel? A spandrel is an accident. A spandrel does not build a church - which leads us to question whether the belief in God is rationally counterintuitive if this very belief opened mankind up to expanding into the real universe in ways it would not have otherwise. Talk about shooting the horse you rode in on.

What do you think? Was God a spandrel?

It would take a large amount of room to completely summarize the evolutionary argument for religious belief. If you're interested to know what the theory consists of, I would highly recommend reading the following paper. It does an excellent job of fully explaining the contemporary understanding of the evolution of religious belief. (If you're a person that denies evolution altogether, forget it for a moment; we'll be granting that it's true for argument's sake.) https://www2.psych.ubc.ca/~henrich/pdfs/BIOT_a_00018.pdf If you're like me, you'll find the argument made there extremely *compelling*. I mean...it's *good*. There doesn't appear to be a single stone unturned. A rational person, who'd been inclined toward belief prior to reading this paper, could very easily walk away convinced against the proposition that God is real, or that anything in Christianity (or any other religion for that matter) points to something real. There is, however, a glaring contradiction in this theory's logic. I am not interested here to pick apart the paper in terms of its specific points. If you'd care to do that after reading the paper, we can do that in the comments. I want to attack a specific assumption made by the paper which is given barely any attention, but which is crucial for its thesis to go through. Essentially, the argument goes that belief in the supernatural, namely God (and all of the associated social effects of this), were the cause of - not just society's survival - but for the evolution of our society's complexity, and even the sophistication of our cultural practices and institutions, including the development of science (by implication). The paper is concerned with showing the *combination of factors* that caused religious belief to evolve. But inserted at the tail end of the paper, after a summary of the combination of factors that causes religion to evolve, is the sneaky phrase: >None of these evolved for religion per se. This is quite literally the only sentence in the paper which even alludes to the underlying assumption on which the whole theory rests. What this statement truly says, is that: "None of the factors which contributed to the evolution of religious belief did so because religious belief is true. They each represent independent forces, and religion is basically an accident that emerged from them, which just so happened to be super beneficial." In other words, it's not possible that the object of religious belief, God, is *true* - instead, all of the factors that came together that made you believe in God are *themselves* what do all of the work of helping you survive reality. In the highly critical words of Winnie the Pooh: Oh, bother. Think about this for a moment. The same combination of factors that caused you to believe in God, is also the same set of factors that caused your society to transcend its primitive state and to begin to discover the *truth* of the universe via the scientific institution. The former is a counterintuitive belief, according to these two researchers, and the latter is not. One thing the paper stresses is that our 'supernatural beliefs' are **counterintuitive**, which is to say that belief in God runs contrary to our regular intuitions about the world. Let's be charitable. Let's grant them that. Yet, what are we to contrast these counterintuitive God beliefs with? Well, the scientist writing the paper implicitly assumes that the beliefs we *can trust* about the universe would be our scientific ones. Hmm. Situate this in the evolutionary paradigm, in which everything is attempting to balance tradeoffs and costs of new adaptations for survival against an environment that kills us for getting it wrong, regularly. So our counter-intuitive beliefs in God were the result of a combination of factors that caused society to evolve massive complexity and intelligence, including the ability to finally gain a scientific (apparently *intuitive*) grasp of the universe, but this same combination of factors didn't evolve because God was true. God was the counterintuitive part, and science was the intuitive (and true) result, and we should think science tells us true things about reality, but the very belief in God that led us there was an irrational accident. The combination of factors that evolved to produce belief in God didn't "evolve for religious [truth], per se", but they did evolve to lead us to scientific truth, per se? Based on what? The paper stipulates that belief in the supernatural (God, heaven, hell, etc.) is *counterintuitive*, but that our regular intuitive ontologies and observations of the world are supposedly something we ought to put actual stock in. I wonder how well this holds up in 2021. How intuitive is current cosmology? How intuitive is the Big Bang? How intuitive is quantum mechanics? How intuitive is the mathematical concept of infinity? We are told in this paper that the factors which promoted the evolution of belief in God did not do so because God is true, but that they contributed to the increase in intelligence in mankind that *did lead* us to so-called true knowledge in the sciences. I'm emphasizing the evolutionary context because the only thing that matters in this context is survival. There are either adaptations which confer greater survivability, or there are [spandrels](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spandrel_(biology)#:~:text=In%20evolutionary%20biology%2C%20a%20spandrel,direct%20product%20of%20adaptive%20selection.&text=Gould%20and%20Lewontin%20sought%20to,more%20structuralist%20view%20of%20evolution.). But the theory is clear that the belief in God *was a causal force* in the advancement that led to greater knowledge of the universe, and higher survivability. Is this really a case for God being a spandrel? A spandrel is an accident. A spandrel does not build a church - which leads us to question whether the belief in God is rationally counterintuitive if this very belief opened mankind up to expanding into the real universe in ways it would not have otherwise. Talk about shooting the horse you rode in on. What do you think? Was God a spandrel?

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I'll hang my hat here for the moment. Let me stress I am not saying this to avoid the failure. I love the failure of my other approach. I consider it temporary! I just thought the glaring problem of this term supernatural needed to be pointed out.

I actually think this is the solution to your difficulty. When you said

For now, I just can't get my argument through. I won't stop thinking about it. But as it stands, I don't see any way to swat down this possibility for evolution to result in false beliefs.

the first thing I thought of what Plantinga's well-refined Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism. But the key here is that it is an argument that assumes the premises that both evolution and naturalism are true. By bringing the prefix super into this issue, I think you are recognizing that the task you have set out depends on whether one holds to a naturalistic evolution, or a nonnaturalistic one. Evolution and naturalism are often conflated, but as ARM would be quick to remind us, they are different categories and must be treated separately.

Plantinga argues that if both evolution and naturalism are true, then we actually have no reason whatever to suppose are beliefs are reliable. We only have reason to suppose that our beliefs are survival-beneficial. We also have to understand that we cannot take our experience of reality as we know it and glean from that that our beliefs are reliable, because we can't assume that this reality is defined by naturalism and evolution both being true. Thus we can't use our experience of apparently reliable beliefs as evidence contra Plantinga's argument; the argument aims to show what would be the case if both evolution and naturalism were true. The short form of the argument, without any exposition, runs as follows:

1) The probability of having reliable beliefs given naturalism and evolution is low

2) Anyone who accepts (1) and believes that naturalism and evolution are true, has a defeater for the belief in the reliability of beliefs.

3) Anyone who has a defeater for the belief in reliable beliefs has a defeater for any other belief one holds, including the belief in naturalism and evolution.

4) If belief in naturalism and evolution necessarily leads to a defeater for the belief in naturalism and evolution, then belief in naturalism and evolution is self-defeating and cannot be rationally held.

Proving (1) is obviously the critical step. And again, it amounts to differentiating between "cognitive indicators", like true data gathered from an environment to enable adaptive behaviour, versus true beliefs about this data or the environment. It is not clear that the beliefs themselves have to be clear for the cognitive data to be nonetheless received and processed adaptively. And so if the belief-about-data, for any given datum, is just as likely true as false, and if we expect "reliability of beliefs" to be defined, let's say, by a 3:1 ratio of true to false beliefs, then given a mere 0.5 probability of a belief being true, the probability of achieving these 3:1 ratio is a belief set of 1,000 beliefs is small enough that we can no longer consider beliefs as reliable, given naturalism and evolution.

That is a very brief summary of the argument. Plantinga goes into great detail attempting to pre-emptively answer specific objections, or dealing with semantical arguments, but if it is not necessarily the case that true beliefs would accompany true cognitive data, then I think the entire argument follows, and, indeed, I would agree with you in saying that one cannot "swat down the idea" of evolution resulting in false beliefs - in fact, if we are taking the conjunction of evolution and naturalism as true, it would seem it is just as probable for evolution (and naturalism) to produce false beliefs as true.

Which brings me back to how I began this comment. By bringing the prefix super into this argument, you are subtly gesturing to a theistic evolution, which is something entirely different from the "naturalism and evolution" conjunction. A conjunction, instead, of theism and evolution would, I think necessarily, lead to the reliability of beliefs, for the simple fact that, in this case, evolution would not be random - or rather, it would not be selecting merely for survival, but instead evolution would have been designed for the sake of selecting for gnosis - the ability of the evolved creature to understand the universe, and by extension, God. Which brings us to one of those critical three principles of natural law that mankind has, whether he knows it or not, come to reject as a result of the Protestant Reformation on the side of the religious right, and as a result of the Enlightenment on the side of the secular left - namely, the principle of the intelligiblity of the universe.

A principle, I might add, that anthropic realism - held by those "moronic primitives" - itself assumes.

@BurnInHelena

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So basically, I did argue myself to the truth, given the conditions of (a) naturalism being true and (b) evolution being true. Plantiga makes the case that if these are true, we have no justification for belief in any belief.

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I'm reading a chapter in a Feser book at the moment, and I came across this quote. I thought you might like it for its relevance to your comment:

...elsewhere I have argued that our capacity to grasp abstract concepts and to reason in accordance with formally valid patterns of inference is something incompatible with naturalism, and that the naturalist cannot evade the problem by attempting to deny that we truly possess such concepts or reason in such ways. That alone is reason to reject any naturalist epistemology.

Scholastic Metaphysics (2014)

Here he is making reference to a much more in-depth argument to this effect that he made in Aristotle on Method and Metaphysics (2013).

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Feser is on my reading list for sure.