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I've seen premarital sex ruin more marriages than any single cause.

The problem with it, is that men exchange their innate moral authority for the gratification of a base desire, about which they will care less and less as they age.

So they end up in relationships about which it has become impossible to accurately and objectively gauge their spiritual and/or religious opinions. More often than not, they'll end up in a permanent relationship with their political enemy, and will no longer have any moral authority over her - they'll be forced either to use physical violence, or she'll end up serving some other man.

It's not worth it. Do not engage in premarital sex. Find any couple who actually honored this institution, and you will see what I'm talking about. They are rare, but they exist.

The jews know this full well, and have done everything they can to steer society away from this.

I've seen premarital sex ruin more marriages than *any single cause*. The problem with it, is that men exchange their *innate moral authority* for the gratification of a base desire, about which they will care less and less as they age. So they end up in relationships about which it has become *impossible* to accurately and objectively gauge their spiritual and/or religious opinions. More often than not, they'll end up in a permanent relationship with their political enemy, and will *no longer have any moral authority over her* - they'll be forced either to use physical violence, or she'll end up serving some other man. It's not worth it. Do *not* engage in premarital sex. Find any couple who actually honored this institution, and you will see what I'm talking about. They are rare, but they exist. The jews know this full well, and have done everything they can to steer society *away* from this.

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[–] 4 pts

I don't see the controversy. If people would go back to respecting the sanctity of sex, it would have more meaning. There's no better way to defile your soul than to defile your body.

[–] 3 pts

I'm preaching to the choir in a sub called Logos Rising - few opinions I've ever voiced publicly have gotten me in as much trouble as this one. Now keep in mind, I haven't publicly argued Race Reality and the JQ, so I can't say whether this would be more unpopular than that.

[–] 1 pt (edited )

I think you made an extremely important point about a man establishing moral authority. The order of adoration in this world is child → woman → man → God. Think of this in terms of phenomenology. Each one of us, as a result of our natures and the point we're at in our development, will 'see God in the world' in a different way. It's important to recognize that I'm not referring to our internal religious experience. Rather, I'm talking about the way that each of us experiences God most evidently in the natural order. A woman will 'see' this Godly authority in the behavior of man.

She is naturally attracted to a man with standards, according to which he does not compromise, and most importantly not for her. The highly mistaken idea that we see promulgated everywhere is that a woman wants a man who puts her first. This isn't true, at all. This cultural cliche that a woman wants a 'bad boy' comes from a shallow study of women who are actually seeking an altogether different trait, which happens to be expressed by 'bad boys'. That trait is simply having independent standards that don't put her first. She is attracted to the independence and lack of neediness in a 'bad boy', but this very same trait is expressed in a male that submits to God.

The quality is not being a rule-breaker, per se, but being beholden to a set of rules that transcends the rules of man, and not compromising on these standards for her sake.

When a man shows that a woman can stir his passions in a way that he is unable to control, i.e. that her power over him is greater than God's, she loses respect for him. Importantly, that doesn't mean she will not fuck him. A woman craves that kind of desire, and she lusts after being its object. She may love to be his goddess for a time, but when she senses that her power is his god, and that he cannot subordinate her, she'll know that she has not found God in man. In the most mythological portrayal of this, we have the consuming mother who begins as the object of a man's desire but becomes the Gorgon that turns him to stone in her hall of conquests - she'll grow tired of this play-thing, this penis to consume, and she'll begin to test the relationship in every conceivable way.

This issue of respect is beyond crucial for good relationships. Now, expectations play a role in this as well. If the male never establishes that he is beholden to a transcendent moral law to begin with, then pre-marital sex can't defeat her expectations, and the relationship will move forward more or less like many do today, with sex becoming a kind of decoration that is spoiled and made mundane after just a few months of the relationship. If, however, a man establishes a standard for his behavior about which he won't compromise, then her response to this will be either to see God in this act and submit herself to it, forming respect. Or, she'll walk away.

In the case where she remains, you're establishing a foundation for sex to be something important, controlled (like all good appetites are), and something that can be a source of lasting pleasure for the two of you. If you wanted to think of a male-female couple like opposite charges in an electric field, the commonest relationships today are like highly charged particles that simply collide and explode in a fiery collapse. A relationship under the law is one that causes these particles to orbit each other in stable connection, and release pent up energy at regular, controlled increments.

There is no way in which Godly relationships (or, truly, any behavior) are not active and conscious actions and choices. Of course they won't seem natural. Our natural inclination, as it concerns sex, is to be like the charged particles that crash together and dissipate all of their energy. Maintaining the productive orbit, 'riding the lightning' as it were, is a constant force of Will. We know that these are the rarity, both from our experience and from culture. How much of music is about tumultuous relationships? Most of us never maintain the stable orbit, but crash and burn, and that is the stuff of painful art.

It's also interesting to think about this in terms of a person's age. Maintaining these relationships is most difficult when we are young. Settling into a less libidinal companionship becomes easier with age. So we'd also think that a society would need really, really good structures to help support stable young relationships against their natural inclinations to collide and explode (causing chaos).

I think the reason claims like the one you've made seem controversial today is not because they pertain to God, but because they oppose our natural innate tendencies. We appear to live in a cultural 'church of the natural' today, where any prescription against our basic impulses is viewed as some kind of insult to the dignity of human nature (or worse! a repression!).

@PS @BurnInHelena

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Man was not made for woman, but woman was made for man. Scripture consistently and unequivocally asserts this superior place in the hierarchy that man holds - and for good reason; man's active nature is coupled necessarily with such a responsibility, whereas woman's passive nature could be never be associated with this responsibility in the same way.

Mankind has forever acknowledged this truth by analogically calling God a "Father", rather than a "Mother".

Unwin's Sex and Culture documents the sexual norms of 80 cultures throughout the world, and concludes that those most approximating Christian moral standards lead to the greatest prosperity. I don't know how Unwin controlled for other variables, but his conclusion does lend credence to the suggestion that there are natural reasons, pointing to the supernatural, for Christian teachings like no sex before marriage, and how this is so crucial.