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I've seen premarital sex ruin more marriages than any single cause.

The problem with it, is that men exchange their innate moral authority for the gratification of a base desire, about which they will care less and less as they age.

So they end up in relationships about which it has become impossible to accurately and objectively gauge their spiritual and/or religious opinions. More often than not, they'll end up in a permanent relationship with their political enemy, and will no longer have any moral authority over her - they'll be forced either to use physical violence, or she'll end up serving some other man.

It's not worth it. Do not engage in premarital sex. Find any couple who actually honored this institution, and you will see what I'm talking about. They are rare, but they exist.

The jews know this full well, and have done everything they can to steer society away from this.

I've seen premarital sex ruin more marriages than *any single cause*. The problem with it, is that men exchange their *innate moral authority* for the gratification of a base desire, about which they will care less and less as they age. So they end up in relationships about which it has become *impossible* to accurately and objectively gauge their spiritual and/or religious opinions. More often than not, they'll end up in a permanent relationship with their political enemy, and will *no longer have any moral authority over her* - they'll be forced either to use physical violence, or she'll end up serving some other man. It's not worth it. Do *not* engage in premarital sex. Find any couple who actually honored this institution, and you will see what I'm talking about. They are rare, but they exist. The jews know this full well, and have done everything they can to steer society *away* from this.

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My reason for voicing this is because I never knew about it as a young man. It wasn’t that I’d never heard it, but it was “religious extremism”.

Eventually, by the Grace of God, He revealed to me the error of my ways, and how they were outgrowths of the (((communist))) propaganda I grew up with. So I renounced all that, repented, and set about finding a wife who refused to either have premarital sex with me or anyone else during our engagement.

I had two false starts, and third time’s the charm.

Now I’m happily married with a mess of beautiful White children. Thanks to God !

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Thanks for your response, l'm glad that it all worked out for you in the end. That aside lets get back to the argument at hand.

By your own admission, you've had two "false starts", I'm going to assume failed relationships or marriages.

What made those relationships fail? Was there anything that you may have learnt that helped you with "third times the charm?" Did anything you learnt before help you in identifying what you did and didn't want in a wife?

Also, this part is curious:

finding a wife who refused

Mate, you didn't make the call for no sex, she did. Women control the sex in relationships. You control the commitment / attention.

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By your own admission, you've had two "false starts", I'm going to assume failed relationships or marriages.

The first “false start” was a relationship that lasted two weeks. I refused to have sex with her, because we weren’t married. She didn’t think I actually meant it, and that she could “wear me down”, and she was pissed because no-one who claimed to “want” her could possibly have resisted. In the end, she broke it off, and I think she ended up telling her church family that I’m gay. Needless to say, I wasn’t impressed.

My second attempt lasted six months, and was much worse. Like the first girl, she never really believed that I could possibly be serious about remaining celibate until marriage. She put on a really good show, but one day she calls to “invite” me to a movie date with one of her ex-boyfriends. I was pretty pissed, but in retrospect I dodged a bullet. Glad I never gave in to temptation.

The woman who became my wife actually respected the fact of my chosen celibacy-until-marriage, and while we both struggled with temptation, we were serious enough about our relationship with Christ that we made it to the wedding night. The engagement was about ten months. Our wedding was fantastic, and everyone there knew it really meant something. To this day, people bring it up as “how they want their wedding to be”, and we didn’t even spend that much. We had a couple hundred people.

Once we’d made it, together, we immediately realized there was something truly magical about what we’d accomplished.

And exceedingly few people know what we’re talking about.

Keep in mind, neither of us were virgins at the time, but we were sincerely repentant. To this day, though our marriage has been great, we both wonder what it would have been like if we were both virgins. We’d have probably taken over the world or something.

Nevertheless, it’s obviously blessed, and it’s entirely because we both sincerely chose to honor the Lord, rather than our own base desires. And Christ gave us both because of it.

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Apologies for the late reply, I have been either trying to avoid politics entirely or been busy with real life work (doesn't help that this site doesn't play nice with my phone).

I believe what you said about the first girl. Refusing sex is the most surefire way to drive a woman absolutely crazy. To say they take it personally is an understatement.

Either way I'm glad it worked out for you. I just disagree that celibacy on the part of the man before marriage is a good strategy for most men who haven't had the experience that you nor I have had.