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I've seen premarital sex ruin more marriages than any single cause.

The problem with it, is that men exchange their innate moral authority for the gratification of a base desire, about which they will care less and less as they age.

So they end up in relationships about which it has become impossible to accurately and objectively gauge their spiritual and/or religious opinions. More often than not, they'll end up in a permanent relationship with their political enemy, and will no longer have any moral authority over her - they'll be forced either to use physical violence, or she'll end up serving some other man.

It's not worth it. Do not engage in premarital sex. Find any couple who actually honored this institution, and you will see what I'm talking about. They are rare, but they exist.

The jews know this full well, and have done everything they can to steer society away from this.

I've seen premarital sex ruin more marriages than *any single cause*. The problem with it, is that men exchange their *innate moral authority* for the gratification of a base desire, about which they will care less and less as they age. So they end up in relationships about which it has become *impossible* to accurately and objectively gauge their spiritual and/or religious opinions. More often than not, they'll end up in a permanent relationship with their political enemy, and will *no longer have any moral authority over her* - they'll be forced either to use physical violence, or she'll end up serving some other man. It's not worth it. Do *not* engage in premarital sex. Find any couple who actually honored this institution, and you will see what I'm talking about. They are rare, but they exist. The jews know this full well, and have done everything they can to steer society *away* from this.

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I don't see the controversy. If people would go back to respecting the sanctity of sex, it would have more meaning. There's no better way to defile your soul than to defile your body.

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I'm preaching to the choir in a sub called Logos Rising - few opinions I've ever voiced publicly have gotten me in as much trouble as this one. Now keep in mind, I haven't publicly argued Race Reality and the JQ, so I can't say whether this would be more unpopular than that.

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I think you made an extremely important point about a man establishing moral authority. The order of adoration in this world is child → woman → man → God. Think of this in terms of phenomenology. Each one of us, as a result of our natures and the point we're at in our development, will 'see God in the world' in a different way. It's important to recognize that I'm not referring to our internal religious experience. Rather, I'm talking about the way that each of us experiences God most evidently in the natural order. A woman will 'see' this Godly authority in the behavior of man.

She is naturally attracted to a man with standards, according to which he does not compromise, and most importantly not for her. The highly mistaken idea that we see promulgated everywhere is that a woman wants a man who puts her first. This isn't true, at all. This cultural cliche that a woman wants a 'bad boy' comes from a shallow study of women who are actually seeking an altogether different trait, which happens to be expressed by 'bad boys'. That trait is simply having independent standards that don't put her first. She is attracted to the independence and lack of neediness in a 'bad boy', but this very same trait is expressed in a male that submits to God.

The quality is not being a rule-breaker, per se, but being beholden to a set of rules that transcends the rules of man, and not compromising on these standards for her sake.

When a man shows that a woman can stir his passions in a way that he is unable to control, i.e. that her power over him is greater than God's, she loses respect for him. Importantly, that doesn't mean she will not fuck him. A woman craves that kind of desire, and she lusts after being its object. She may love to be his goddess for a time, but when she senses that her power is his god, and that he cannot subordinate her, she'll know that she has not found God in man. In the most mythological portrayal of this, we have the consuming mother who begins as the object of a man's desire but becomes the Gorgon that turns him to stone in her hall of conquests - she'll grow tired of this play-thing, this penis to consume, and she'll begin to test the relationship in every conceivable way.

This issue of respect is beyond crucial for good relationships. Now, expectations play a role in this as well. If the male never establishes that he is beholden to a transcendent moral law to begin with, then pre-marital sex can't defeat her expectations, and the relationship will move forward more or less like many do today, with sex becoming a kind of decoration that is spoiled and made mundane after just a few months of the relationship. If, however, a man establishes a standard for his behavior about which he won't compromise, then her response to this will be either to see God in this act and submit herself to it, forming respect. Or, she'll walk away.

In the case where she remains, you're establishing a foundation for sex to be something important, controlled (like all good appetites are), and something that can be a source of lasting pleasure for the two of you. If you wanted to think of a male-female couple like opposite charges in an electric field, the commonest relationships today are like highly charged particles that simply collide and explode in a fiery collapse. A relationship under the law is one that causes these particles to orbit each other in stable connection, and release pent up energy at regular, controlled increments.

There is no way in which Godly relationships (or, truly, any behavior) are not active and conscious actions and choices. Of course they won't seem natural. Our natural inclination, as it concerns sex, is to be like the charged particles that crash together and dissipate all of their energy. Maintaining the productive orbit, 'riding the lightning' as it were, is a constant force of Will. We know that these are the rarity, both from our experience and from culture. How much of music is about tumultuous relationships? Most of us never maintain the stable orbit, but crash and burn, and that is the stuff of painful art.

It's also interesting to think about this in terms of a person's age. Maintaining these relationships is most difficult when we are young. Settling into a less libidinal companionship becomes easier with age. So we'd also think that a society would need really, really good structures to help support stable young relationships against their natural inclinations to collide and explode (causing chaos).

I think the reason claims like the one you've made seem controversial today is not because they pertain to God, but because they oppose our natural innate tendencies. We appear to live in a cultural 'church of the natural' today, where any prescription against our basic impulses is viewed as some kind of insult to the dignity of human nature (or worse! a repression!).

@PS @BurnInHelena

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Man was not made for woman, but woman was made for man. Scripture consistently and unequivocally asserts this superior place in the hierarchy that man holds - and for good reason; man's active nature is coupled necessarily with such a responsibility, whereas woman's passive nature could be never be associated with this responsibility in the same way.

Mankind has forever acknowledged this truth by analogically calling God a "Father", rather than a "Mother".

Unwin's Sex and Culture documents the sexual norms of 80 cultures throughout the world, and concludes that those most approximating Christian moral standards lead to the greatest prosperity. I don't know how Unwin controlled for other variables, but his conclusion does lend credence to the suggestion that there are natural reasons, pointing to the supernatural, for Christian teachings like no sex before marriage, and how this is so crucial.

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Premarital sex is a sin. Just obey the commandments and you won't have to worry.

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It's smart not to be promiscuous. Too many diseases, too many dramas. But it's silly to force yourself to wait until you're married.

I've been married to the same person for 20 years. We had sex many times before marriage. Our relationship is stronger and has lasted longer than almost every single Christian couple we've known. Neither of us is religious. (I'm only here because I saw this on the ALL frontpage and it was an interesting topic)

I don't believe it's the sex that ruins the relationship, it's the people. Let's face it, the vast majority of people are going to be unreliable, untrustworthy, and not long lasting relationship material. Waiting until marriage is really only beneficial to the woman, as it would help weed out men who only wanted in her pants at the soonest opportunity, and weren't interested in a significant relationship. Assuming that's even what she wants, of course.

Men waiting what could be years, is only hurting yourself in the end. Say if you're a young man and dated a woman for 2 years before marriage, (it was 3 in my case), and you waited all of those 2 years before having sex with her or anyone else, then by the time you're both in your 30's, you're going to wish you hadn't waited and could have that time back. You'll typically find that by her 30's, particularly the middle and late 30's, she's not going to be interested in sex anywhere near as often as you will be. So you've basically just cheated yourself out of 2 years of your prime sexual life that you'll never be able to get back.

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Thank you for your thoughtful reply; sincere congratulations on your long-lasting marriage; that is awesome ! I hope it continues to be a beacon of hope for others in your community, and a stabilizer of White Society.

Now, I have relatively limited exposure to marriages outside the Christian milieu, so I’m fuzzy on what marriage means within the context of your worldview. What would you say is the purpose of marriage ? What defines a successful one ? A “failed” one ?

Sincerely interested.

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I wish I knew this when I was younger.

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Me too, my man. I’ve made sure to set the record straight with my own kids (age-appropriately of course). So undoing the damage starts with us.

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Yeah, I wish people would take marriage more seriously.

My parents got divorced, and it taught me a really bad lesson;

If you commit to something forever, and you feel like leaving, just do it.

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Men and women are different. Sex is to men what commitment is to women. Men being able to have many high quality sexual partners demonstrates high value in the eyes of other women. More sex means higher value, more experience in dealing with emotion and drama (inherent to all normal women), more stability over all; and a generally happier (if not a little more worried and on her toes) wife.

All this is easy to deduce with simple logic, and is pretty much common knowledge. What's much more interesting is the question of WHY someone would voice this opinion? I have two theories.

1) They all found men that they perceive to be better than them (especially as they age), are growing increasingly insecure, and trying to change that to feel better about themselves. In which case, congratulations. You did very well for yourself and are in a very healthy relationship.

2) They are husbands of, or are, men that are extremely low value. They try to rationalise this by saying that "I/he could have done X, but CHOSE not to; it's not just me being delusional'. In which case, either you need to work on yourself (if you're a man), or re-evaluate your ego.

Seriously, no man is "made" or born that way. We all start off from nothing and work our way to where we are now. The only thing that's keeping you a "loser" is yourself, and that can change. But that's not really important because I can tell from writing that most of you are women. Criticising a man based on the size of his dick is something that women do because they judge themselves based primarily on physical attributes.

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My reason for voicing this is because I never knew about it as a young man. It wasn’t that I’d never heard it, but it was “religious extremism”.

Eventually, by the Grace of God, He revealed to me the error of my ways, and how they were outgrowths of the (((communist))) propaganda I grew up with. So I renounced all that, repented, and set about finding a wife who refused to either have premarital sex with me or anyone else during our engagement.

I had two false starts, and third time’s the charm.

Now I’m happily married with a mess of beautiful White children. Thanks to God !

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Thanks for your response, l'm glad that it all worked out for you in the end. That aside lets get back to the argument at hand.

By your own admission, you've had two "false starts", I'm going to assume failed relationships or marriages.

What made those relationships fail? Was there anything that you may have learnt that helped you with "third times the charm?" Did anything you learnt before help you in identifying what you did and didn't want in a wife?

Also, this part is curious:

finding a wife who refused

Mate, you didn't make the call for no sex, she did. Women control the sex in relationships. You control the commitment / attention.

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By your own admission, you've had two "false starts", I'm going to assume failed relationships or marriages.

The first “false start” was a relationship that lasted two weeks. I refused to have sex with her, because we weren’t married. She didn’t think I actually meant it, and that she could “wear me down”, and she was pissed because no-one who claimed to “want” her could possibly have resisted. In the end, she broke it off, and I think she ended up telling her church family that I’m gay. Needless to say, I wasn’t impressed.

My second attempt lasted six months, and was much worse. Like the first girl, she never really believed that I could possibly be serious about remaining celibate until marriage. She put on a really good show, but one day she calls to “invite” me to a movie date with one of her ex-boyfriends. I was pretty pissed, but in retrospect I dodged a bullet. Glad I never gave in to temptation.

The woman who became my wife actually respected the fact of my chosen celibacy-until-marriage, and while we both struggled with temptation, we were serious enough about our relationship with Christ that we made it to the wedding night. The engagement was about ten months. Our wedding was fantastic, and everyone there knew it really meant something. To this day, people bring it up as “how they want their wedding to be”, and we didn’t even spend that much. We had a couple hundred people.

Once we’d made it, together, we immediately realized there was something truly magical about what we’d accomplished.

And exceedingly few people know what we’re talking about.

Keep in mind, neither of us were virgins at the time, but we were sincerely repentant. To this day, though our marriage has been great, we both wonder what it would have been like if we were both virgins. We’d have probably taken over the world or something.

Nevertheless, it’s obviously blessed, and it’s entirely because we both sincerely chose to honor the Lord, rather than our own base desires. And Christ gave us both because of it.

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This is about small dicks.

Guys with small dicks automatically have problems sustaining a relationship.

So the best they got is withold til you find one you can marry who isnt interested in your small dick but your great personality and ability to pay bills. Otherwise your doomed to child support.

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I'm sure you're not wrong, in a number of cases.

What's important, is finding a woman who actually believes she is jeopardizing her immortal soul by being unfaithful to her husband (which is completely, objectively true). Such a woman is very rare these days, but those are the ones that deserve as many babies as God allows.

If you've preserved yourselves until marriage, and stay away from porn and/or lascivious lifestyles, you won't know what you're missing. Otherwise, things get a bit more complicated. But if both man and woman has stayed faithful throughout the whole engagement, and not given into temptation, there's a much greater chance the man can compel the woman through moral force alone. If she doesn't accept that, she's trash, and not worth marrying in the first place.

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I beg to differ on available stock, targeted strategy can locate this type of wife within months. I could take you to visit a different church every week for years and never leave the State.

Toss in Wednesday And Sunday Evening and the timetable accelerates exponentially.

Willingness to change environments when faced with limited or poor prospects is a incel problem not a society issue.

It's not about changing the acceptable bar level, its about intelligence to hunt with intentions. People have been sending their kids to college to meet mates in America for hundreds of years. The prospects of small towns is terrible. Luckily humans congregate making availability simple.

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Hey that’s great; I’m getting to the age where I have to start thinking about marrying off my daughters. I’ve not gone into details with any of them, but they know generally what God expects of them. I used to dread it, but I’ve since seen a few great-looking families within driving distance, so it’s starting to look a bit more reasonable.

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Now that's a profound analysis, haha.