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I just reinstalled Namib Linux KDE "arch based" and I have to say KDE is a clusterfuck to setup. I finally after hours got it setup including a spinning cube for multiple 3D desktops. I thought since I've been using linux for years it would be easier than the last time 3 years ago. I was wrong. No desktop icons and not just fill in checkboxes like xfce to have home and shit on there, so lame. They should mark this for intermediate users since the icons on the desktop I found accidentally by dragging them from dolphin and then it said create link. Would it be so hard to leave a text file on the desktop to explain this. Also I started firefox 3 times and it disappeared and I found out I needed to add a widget for open programs to be seen on the panel, how is this not a thing to have in the install. It took me a while to find the fucking widget because they have a title but no fucking explaination or popup to tell you anything. Hell I uninstalled a few programs and the help stopped working because the uninstalled removed a file needed for the help to work. So no internet and no help file and I had to figure this shit out for myself. I reinstalled the help and it still didn't work. I just on a feeling restarted the system and it froze and wouldn't reboot so I gave it a hard shutdown and the help worked. No system message a reboot would be needed for this to work a big fail or then kde developement team. They have overlooked obvious blunders in the install and don't seem to have a clue that it would be better to do some basic shit for user convenience. Hell there is no way to make the system tray icons bigger they are 16x16 and how the fuck is a 4k user supposed to use this since if you increase the panel size the icons form new rows and even stack vertically which is fucking useless, dumb fucks in this setup. They keep adding special effects and have gaping errors in the basic user interfaces and ability to customize the desktop the way they want. At least xfce lets you just move the stuff where ever you want on the taskbar and the tray icons can be easily increased in size. Sure xfce is short a bit on looks but in functionality it's head and shoulders above KDE.

I just reinstalled Namib Linux KDE "arch based" and I have to say KDE is a clusterfuck to setup. I finally after hours got it setup including a spinning cube for multiple 3D desktops. I thought since I've been using linux for years it would be easier than the last time 3 years ago. I was wrong. No desktop icons and not just fill in checkboxes like xfce to have home and shit on there, so lame. They should mark this for intermediate users since the icons on the desktop I found accidentally by dragging them from dolphin and then it said create link. Would it be so hard to leave a text file on the desktop to explain this. Also I started firefox 3 times and it disappeared and I found out I needed to add a widget for open programs to be seen on the panel, how is this not a thing to have in the install. It took me a while to find the fucking widget because they have a title but no fucking explaination or popup to tell you anything. Hell I uninstalled a few programs and the help stopped working because the uninstalled removed a file needed for the help to work. So no internet and no help file and I had to figure this shit out for myself. I reinstalled the help and it still didn't work. I just on a feeling restarted the system and it froze and wouldn't reboot so I gave it a hard shutdown and the help worked. No system message a reboot would be needed for this to work a big fail or then kde developement team. They have overlooked obvious blunders in the install and don't seem to have a clue that it would be better to do some basic shit for user convenience. Hell there is no way to make the system tray icons bigger they are 16x16 and how the fuck is a 4k user supposed to use this since if you increase the panel size the icons form new rows and even stack vertically which is fucking useless, dumb fucks in this setup. They keep adding special effects and have gaping errors in the basic user interfaces and ability to customize the desktop the way they want. At least xfce lets you just move the stuff where ever you want on the taskbar and the tray icons can be easily increased in size. Sure xfce is short a bit on looks but in functionality it's head and shoulders above KDE.

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KDE is an odd, odd duck. it also has the major issue that it doesn't benefit from anything Gnome or GTK based. So a lot of the best linux apps and gadgets dont work in KDE. I tried it once upon a time. Gave it up for Mate/Cinnamon/XFCE. ANYTHING but KDE

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt (edited )

I just did a screenshot to show the new linux users why I put myself through this bullshit to see what the desktop cube is all about. It's just a cube that is made up of your virtual desktops and each of the 4 desktops is one side of the cube. Here's a screenshot. https://pic8.co/sh/jHOiwQ.png

You can rotate the cube with your cursor or mousewheel. When you get to the desktop you want you click ctrl F11 and it makes that desktop appear and the cube affect disappear then click F11 to go back to the cube. Another on you click ctrl F8 and the desktop zooms out so you can see all 4 of them lined up, click on the one you need like if you have a desktop for movie editing, one for internet, one for programming and one with a game paused and click the desktop you want and it zooms in on the one you clicked on. I found that the icons do not work or anything when in either of these modes and it's basically 4 images on a cube, just a cute effect like a screensaver and are useless until back in normal mode. It would be good to show off to some friend that likes when you show them cool shit but beyond that it's kind of useless and is just decoration you can play with.

[–] • 1 pt

I use xfce all the time in non-standard environments. Works great across all kinds of x servers.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

THat's why I rebooted into MX18.3 xfce since I was getting really sick of KDE. Hell Namib is great for cinnamon of xfce but KDE just kills that great arch distro.

[–] • 1 pt

KDE was supposed to be the future a long time ago. Non-trivial things to make, and effective death by politics

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

that and arrogant project managers that like eye candy but don't actually do shit using KDE or haven't done a full install in years and just updates so they have not had to setup the desktop and has IT do all the stuff they are not sure about. I think if you are in charge of the gui you should have to do an install or get someone off the street that does not use kde do it and any question they have that part has to be simplified or automated in the install.

[–] • 0 pt

Come over to the anti-desktop side. Ratpoison or i3 master race. I used to install Slackware with kde for computation-retarded-family members when it was usable because you could make it look like windblows if they were familiar or use "netbook mode" to make it utterly simple... They ditched that and went all flat and gay with the interface and added a ton of bloat.

-posted from my netbsd p4 running ratpoison.

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

I have been doing some reading and watching video's and I think a reasonable first step might be Enlightenment since it's super minimal and has some stuff already installed to make setup a lot easier and the only thing I don't like is that it doesn't automount usb drives during installation.

[–] • 1 pt

It has some of the most advanced multi-monitor virtual desktop switching out of anything I have ever played with. You can target individual displays for virt-desktop switching. If I was in network operations or something like that I would use it as you can keep log windows and status monitors visible while changing a single monitor for things you are doing for fun. Really complex to get your desired workflow and keyboard bindings but once you do it is fast.

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

THat and it has a decent graphic UI so I can see to choose stuff I want to use.

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

I just checked out ratpoison. I'm not a keyboard shortcut kind of guy since I have trouble remembering them. I'm still learning the programs and where they are located in the filesystem so it would be a bitch for me and I'd be lost using this when I forgot crucial keyboard combinations. I also sometimes want to do something and can't remember what the program is named. I also "A lot of excuses" like to move multiple files highlighting and cut and paste into programs like if I want to convert a lot of video's to mp3 format and just highlighting and dragging into the program and clicking convert now is pretty nice. I do like that function of I3 of getting all the program windows on the screen so you don't have anything in the background and I'm pretty sure MX with open box on xfce might have a shortcut for that which I just haven't gotten around to looking up. Hell I'll check that out right after I post this comment.

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Yeah, ratpoison is advanced. Try i3 for a bit and here is the cheat sheet. (i3wm.org) after a day you will be elite hacker in a movie fast at workflow management. Fun thing about *nix is you can switch out easy.

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

Hell I installed openbox and was totally lost so I'm far from using I3 still. I still try to use it once in a while and end up uninstalling it.

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

that's a lot of shit to memorize. I got just a few down for a regular gui ctrl c ctrl v ctrl alt del alt tab alt space alt enter ctrl esc and that is it after years of using computers.

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

I like xfce, I just wanted to experiment with the kwin cube just to see for myself what it was all about. I'll likely just reinstall namib xfce over it tommorrow. I also just needed to bitch and let the newbs realize this is not a simple desktop environment like xfce or cinnamon or even mate. This is not a Desktop for a new windows switchers to try and use since they'll likely fail unless they are lucky or are a great computer user all around and can make an educated guess about shit.

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I hear you there. You can get lost for days in the far from obvious interface features and actually break things that take research to get back. For starting I would for sure go with XFCE with a little bit of tweaking. All of the tools that come with it are great and have no LIB depends. I actually use thunar and screenshooter on my tiled WM boxes just for that fact.

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

I love thunar but I would love it more with dual or quad pane. My favorite file browser was a windows program that didn't even install, you put it in a folder and made a shortcut. It's named Qdir and its a 4 pane file manager that remembers your last directory and setting for each pane when you restart. I back then had my porn directory on one pane "just being honest here", my music folder in another, downloads, and anime video's on the 4th so there was no clicking to get them open and the best part that tabbed sucks for is that you could cut move your cursor a foot and paste, no clicking the wrong tab or any extra bullshit.