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I get it, the learning curve is harsh but by the time you get through the install you will have learned a ton. The amount of time and energy most people spend in a given year fighting with MS bullshit is enough to overcome even the Gentoo learning curve.

No systemd, 100% customizable, an absolute nightmare to write malware for, runs forever on ancient hardware, stable as hell.... e.g. * Linux XXX-003 5.15.52-gentoo #1 SMP Sat Jul 16 10:40:39 EDT 2022 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3320M CPU @ 2.60GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux * Linux XXX-001 5.15.52-gentoo #1 SMP Sat Jul 16 15:31:09 EDT 2022 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

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I get it, the learning curve is harsh but by the time you get through the install you will have learned a ton. The amount of time and energy most people spend in a given year fighting with MS bullshit is enough to overcome even the Gentoo learning curve. No systemd, 100% customizable, an absolute nightmare to write malware for, runs forever on ancient hardware, stable as hell.... e.g. * Linux XXX-003 5.15.52-gentoo #1 SMP Sat Jul 16 10:40:39 EDT 2022 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3320M CPU @ 2.60GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux * Linux XXX-001 5.15.52-gentoo #1 SMP Sat Jul 16 15:31:09 EDT 2022 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux What am I missing?

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Worse aspects of Slackware and Arch, without any real benefit that isn't found or done better elsewhere. Besides being a bitch and a half to get installed (worse than Arch or Slackware, which is saying something), the compile times for software are (Or were the 2 times I tried it years back) were absolutely insane.

I get why it's "neat" to build from source, but in my daily driver, I have no desire to waste an entire afternoon/evening doing updates. With Slackware, you KNOW your building a frozen machine, and you plan around it. Arch goes the opposite way, and you know your getting a rolling bleeding release, but you also have very quick and snappy updating as well as surprisingly good stability.

I get why Gentoo exists, but I see it as a hobbyist distro as opposed to something you'd want to get real work done, or a rig for coming home and relaxing with 15 tabs open and a steam game playing.

P.S.: if you head over to protondb, and look up used distros when people reviews, more often than not the Gentoo users cannot play even very simple games where a *Buntu, Arch, or Fedora distro can

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Fair point about gamers, not one, but I don't really agree with the daily driver bit. It's my only distro, runs on three machines, and with distcc and throttles updates are a non issue as they can run in the background. I update ~once a month and machines have been stable for years.

I'll check out the references you mentioned appreciate the tip.

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I've been using Gentoo for about a year now. I used Void Linux before that and Void is also pretty darn good.

My suspicion to why there's "so little love" for it, is that Gentoo seem a little off-putting with a multi page manual just for installing it; dozens of manual steps and configuration. And for those that get through that, some probably fail to understand some of the various Gentoo concepts and so by next system update, they end up with a broken system. Either way, the Gentoo wiki and handbook is pretty good, so once you use Gentoo you aren't in total darkness.

I guess that the average user would want a Linux based system that just works™ and that's where the likes of Linux Mint, Ubrowntu and friends come in. Actually, on my work laptop I use Linux Mint because I had no time to go through a Gentoo installation on it, so there's that too.

Gentoo has a feature that I very much appreciate, the "Use" flags so that anything I install is customized to what I need. For example qemu with risc-v support. I have a few applications configured specially like that, such that in other distributions I would need a separately crafted package for that, or at least compiled and separately installed to /usr/local. Then keeping said application updated...yeah nah.

Update times on Gentoo doesn't bother me too much, once a week I run through it and my 3900X CPU compiles software fairly fast with its 24 vcores.

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Exactly this.

I love the granular customization it results in a very small footprint and amazing stability. I installed this about 5-6 years and believed the opinions prevalent in this thread, thought I would eventually crash my system or get sick of it. When neither of those things happened I changed my belief.

I like to even push my luck and do shit like this:

make modules_prepare && make -j8 -l5 && make install && make modules_install && genkernel --luks --lvm initramfs && grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg && reboot || echo "jews did this"

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Because Larry the Cow is trans.

They fumbled community development. I can't recall, but I used it heavily for a decade. It just became too cumbersome.

Due to pressure from gentoo and others fedora cleaned up their act and made their stock experience way better.

Ultimately, the necessity of deep selection and compile time aren't useful anymore.

Some people just want to load an operating system and do stuff other than compiling everything. I can understand this type of system for someone like a security researcher or developer, but for the average user... a big NO.

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I get your point but everything breaks at some point. The question is how much time do you spend learning when things break and what do you learn? i.e. What/where/when is the ROI.

With Windows you learn to repeat actions and hope for a different outcome. With Apple you learn to spend money With most distros you learn systemd With an init distro you learn how a computer works and will quickly become a "guru"

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Because gentoo doesnt provide anything over the arch i already run...

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I use Arch... 😂 I like Arch, but the phrase is funny all on its own.