Completely agree with everything stated up there Now there's a point beyond which words aren't enough It's a cult and "you"/"we" aren't going to debate anything with them and ultimately they would physically erase "us" if they could, by pushing a button because it's handy. Doing it with a dull knife is much harder but pushing buttons is what those people do "Those people are nuts, and they're mean" Yeah There isn't 36 ways to overcome violence Historically it boils down to more firepower. There are hacks/workarounds/exceptions, but generally speaking that's what it always boils down to.