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The scriptures themselves say that Jesus was a jew.
I appreciate your reluctance to fully flesh this out in a poal comment, but if we could just be a little more specific...
The New Testament was written in Greek, and uses the Greek word(s) more closely transliterated as Judean as both a noun and adjective.
So I guess the question is, "WHAT IS A JEW?" Please explain! The English NT uses "Jew" almost exclusively when talking about Judeans. So is "Jew" a demonym?
Is it one and the same with descendants of Judah, or of his father Israel (Jacob)?
I think a lot of the confusion stems from the very definitions.
Yes you're right. When I say jew I simply mean he was of Old Testament lineage and followed the laws of Moses, after Christ was crucified these (ceremonial) laws were done away with (not the moral law, the ten commandments).
I can accept, I guess, someone taking issue with the term 'jew' but to me it's semantics.
I'd be happy to call him a Hebrew to avoid confusion... unless there is a better term. I do agree that "jew" isn't particularly helpful, since talmudic assholes who believe Jesus is boiling in excrement also use that name for themselves.
>I do agree that "jew" isn't particularly helpful, since talmudic assholes who believe Jesus is boiling in excrement also use that name for themselves.
Yes, this is the aggravation that they have, the term is so bad (and I understand their feelings) so yeah I think you're just being reasonable).
Jesus' mother was Mary. The scriptures say that Joseph was a direct descendant of King David. The savior prophesied about in the Old Testament was to be a descendant of David. But..... Jesus wasn't Joseph's son. Mary was already pregnant when she met Joseph. So Jesus isn't the prophesied savior.
The only way around this is to say that Joseph isn't Jesus' genetic father, but because Joseph married Mary before she gave birth, that makes Jesus Joseph's son. And a descendant of David, But not genetically.
Either way, Joseph is not Jesus' genetic father. Therefore, the fact that Joseph was a descendant of King David and the race/ethnicity of Joseph is irrelevant. Also, the arguments about the definition of today's Jews and biblical Jews is irrelevant. We have no lineage for Mary. All we know is that she was from Nazareth, which was in Galilee. Separate from Judea.
Divine conception aside, the fact remains that we have no known father for Jesus. So no one can call Jesus an ethnic/racial Jew.
But if we can't call Jesus a racial Jew, can we call him a Jew because of religion?
Religiously, Jesus was a Christian. Done. Jesus "Christ" practiced "Christ"ianity, not Judaism. (Ancient, modern, Judaism, Hebruism - it doesn't matter.) Jesus practiced Christianity. And yes its' true that Christianity shares things with both Judaism and Buddhism. So calling Jesus a Jew because he did some Jewish things is just as stupid as calling him a Buddhist because he did some Buddhist things.
Modern, ancient, religious, ethnic, racial, Hebrew, Judea, Jew, Semite, kike - It doesn't matter. Jesus was not a racial Jew, and Jesus was not a religious Jew. Regardless of your definition of Jew.- Jesus wasn't any type of Jew.
Lots of handwaving in here.
Jesus wasn't any type of Jew.
the arguments about the definition of today's Jews and biblical Jews is (sic) irrelevant
Not exactly coherent.
Jesus isn't the prophesied savior.
You can't be serious. The fulfilled prophecies and eyewitness testimonies are overwhelming and quite clear. John 1:29
Not exactly coherent.
That's some fancy hand waving you're doing there. I understand that this is the internet and some people here aren't fluent in english. But to those of us who are, this is perfectly coherent.
You can't be serious.
I am very serious. The Bible contains a contradiction. But if you would have read the VERY NEXT SENTENCE - You would have read how I explained how Jesus was still the savior despite the contradiction.
The fact remains - No matter what anyone's definition of Jew is, modern or biblical, Jesus was not any type of Jew. Joseph was. But Jesus wasn't Joseph's biological son. And Mary wasn't any type of Jew.
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