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I recently picked up a new ZBT-2 device for my Home Assistant system and set it to be thread. It took several tries to get the device to be recognized and it's only a "bronze" level compatibility (it's an official device, wtf?) but that's another story for another day.

So the first thing I try to do is add a Matter device, specifically a TImmerflotte (wooden raft) temp/hum sensor from Ikea.

I immediately discover that this type of device, matter over thread, won't just pair like zigbee does. With zigbee, you simply press a button until it goes into pairing mode, the host says "Hey, there you are, what are you" and a conversation happens and you have new device. End of story.

Matter? Nope. No way to pair it without some sort of third party interrogator. You can scan the device's QR code with the host's application or interrogate via bluetooth which then passes it to the thread bridge. You literally cannot just add a device without doing this.

But that's not all. In addition to needing a phone with a camera or bluetooth if the device supports it, it requires IPV6.

That's right, a fucking local radio protocol requires IPV6 For what? I have no fucking clue. I couldn't get the device to pair without it. I've had IPV6 turned off on my router since the day it was installed in the rack, because IPV6 on a local network is not needed...but sure enough, the minute I re-enabled the package on the router and told Homeless Assistant that it could use IPV6, it worked. But before that? No indication that anything was wrong, it just didn't work. Failed to pair. No error, no "IPV6 is not enabled." It was slow to fail, and slow to pair when it did work.

This is supposed to be the future of home devices? It literally took the ease and intuitive installation of zigbee and tossed it out the fucking window for some zoomer wet dream. I'm not unhappy I have it installed, but fuck me running, this is overly complex.

Thank you for listening.

I recently picked up a new ZBT-2 device for my Home Assistant system and set it to be thread. It took several tries to get the device to be recognized and it's only a "bronze" level compatibility (it's an official device, wtf?) but that's another story for another day. So the first thing I try to do is add a Matter device, specifically a TImmerflotte (wooden raft) temp/hum sensor from Ikea. I immediately discover that this type of device, matter over thread, won't just pair like zigbee does. With zigbee, you simply press a button until it goes into pairing mode, the host says "Hey, there you are, what are you" and a conversation happens and you have new device. End of story. Matter? Nope. No way to pair it without some sort of third party interrogator. You can scan the device's QR code with the host's application or interrogate via bluetooth which then passes it to the thread bridge. You literally cannot just add a device without doing this. But that's not all. In addition to needing a phone with a camera or bluetooth if the device supports it, it requires IPV6. That's right, a fucking local radio protocol requires IPV6 For what? I have no fucking clue. I couldn't get the device to pair without it. I've had IPV6 turned off on my router since the day it was installed in the rack, because IPV6 on a local network is not needed...but sure enough, the minute I re-enabled the package on the router and told Homeless Assistant that it could use IPV6, it worked. But before that? No indication that anything was wrong, it just didn't work. Failed to pair. No error, no "IPV6 is not enabled." It was slow to fail, and slow to pair when it did work. This is supposed to be the future of home devices? It literally took the ease and intuitive installation of zigbee and tossed it out the fucking window for some zoomer wet dream. I'm not unhappy I have it installed, but fuck me running, this is overly complex. Thank you for listening.
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the one that planned this crap must be the son of the one that made - systemd - wayland - python (yes, I know, it is reinventing the wheel as an hexagon)

and MANY of the "new things" that are just plain worse

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I'm baffled as to why it needs what it does.

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Tracking. I’d be sniffing that segment.

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There's nothing to sniff - it doesn't operate over IPV6. It's a local radio link.

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>fuck me running

Take off!!!

I'm kidding, No Homo

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No Homo

I have to say, there for just a minute I was a little worried.

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Mission Accomplished

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We're watching you, mister. Keep it clean and there's no trouble.

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Fucking faggotnigger. Kidding nohomo.

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We all get to blame /s/crapple for this. They were what made everything have to use Thread, thus, thread over matter. It is not a great system/idea. I am sure it will improve over time but Apple put thread in fucking everything and now it's all people want to use where Matter was intended to be for everyone. Now we just have thread over matter. fucking weak.

[source] I work in a industry where this is a thing. I won't say more than that. This also would have been relevant in /s/automation.

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I am happy to blame Apple for this.

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If you ever want ideas for your automation or homelab. Just ask.

Though. Yep. Fucking apple.

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Same here. I got lots of solutions from over the years.

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I'll let you know when the last X10 device that's been here since the 90s dies.

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All your ipv6 are belong to us

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you can have it.

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I don’t matter, Neither does it.

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But I give IPV6 to you freely, my friend, much like I would give you a cold if we were in the same room.