I should have asked if you were a nationalist-socialist at the onset and we could have avoided this, but I wasn't sure. All the same, thanks for the dialogue. I recognize the value and validity in much of the nationalist-socialist position but in the end we have ideological differences and will have to disagree. Natural and universal laws of scarcity means that any successful system will need to promote and benefit from competition. I feel that self determinationism and individualism in the pursuit of private property drives healthy competition and evolutionary progress that with philia breeds nationalism as an essential biproduct. Certainly a role for gov as anti-trust/anti-monopolistic/etc controls need to be in place but those should be structured as "Positive Laws" (protecting individual liberty) and not "Negative Laws" (restricting individual liberty) whenever possible. Its my observation that such a system has equal if not superior merit across human experiments in governance and we can just leave it at that. EDIT: I could also go on about the fundamental flaw of any socialist system is the inevitable bureaucratic bloat, centralization, and institutional memory always lead to a massive unwieldy system that falls to despotic tyranny... but that's another discussion.